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My company plans to switch to Interdev and SiteServer

9 posts in General Discussion (old) Last posting was on 2000-02-29 08:46:28.0Z
Jehangir Abdulla Posted on 2000-02-25 20:10:13.0Z
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Hi Everyone,
My company is seriously evaluating Site Server and Interdev and plans to
give up Powerbuilder and EAServer development.
We have software in PB 7.0, everything is Client Server based as yet
though and no Internet is involved.
We are now planning on putting our software on the Internet and thats
when my company plans on giving up the Sybase platform altogether and go
the Microsoft way.
I was wondering if any of you have had experiences with Visual Interdev
and SiteServer versus EAStudio or if there are any comparisons out there
of the two.
Being a Powerbuilder programmer I'd like to move on to the more obvious
EAStudio but my company wants Interdev and Site Server because of Visual
Interdev's market share coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers
Any help or advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Jehangir


Rich Mo Posted on 2000-02-28 02:06:31.0Z
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I've used interdev and VB/COM for several projects over the last few years.
We are just looking into site server now. I've used PB extensively but have
no experience with EAS.

I visted an old client we did some PB work with recently. They also want to
can their PB apps in favor of VB/COM ASP apps. They looked into Jaguar but
decided the price tag was too high. They are also fed up with PB and Sybase
on the whole.

You use Interdev to write Active Server Pages. Along with that, you need to
master VBscript,Javascript,HTML,COM...etc. There is a learning curve here
that shouldn't be underestimated. Sybase claims the PB skills are
transferable. Perhaps they are referring to writing distributed objects? I
don't see how you can aviod learning the web progamming environment and the
all the related technologies regardless of which way you go.

Good luck
Rich

Jehangir Abdulla <jabdulla@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Everyone,
> My company is seriously evaluating Site Server and Interdev and plans to
> give up Powerbuilder and EAServer development.
> We have software in PB 7.0, everything is Client Server based as yet
> though and no Internet is involved.
> We are now planning on putting our software on the Internet and thats
> when my company plans on giving up the Sybase platform altogether and go
> the Microsoft way.
> I was wondering if any of you have had experiences with Visual Interdev
> and SiteServer versus EAStudio or if there are any comparisons out there
> of the two.
> Being a Powerbuilder programmer I'd like to move on to the more obvious
> EAStudio but my company wants Interdev and Site Server because of Visual
> Interdev's market share coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers
> Any help or advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated
> Thanks
> Jehangir
>


Adam Simmonds Posted on 2000-02-26 04:04:25.0Z
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I know the experts on this newsgroup will respond with much more substance,
but from what I know Microsoft and other vendors products do not even come
close to the functionality provided by EAS.

Yes, EAS may have some bugs at the moment, but it is still offers the best
long term solution as it will do so much more than other products. If you
lock yourself in with other products I am positive you will look back and
wish you had of stuck it out with EAS.

Just one more thing, we have been using Jaguar/PB7 etc. for only 2 months
now and we have managed ( with the help of DDS framework ) to roll out a
first release of a web project to allow students to enrol over the web. Now
this shows that the learning curve isnt so bad and with all the help
available from sybase and newsgroups, you can certainly make progress and
quickly.

Well thats my two cents worth, but I am a sybase product fan :-)

I can see by your cross-posting I am going to receive a few flames on this,
but I am prepared <g>

Rgds
Adam

Jehangir Abdulla wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> My company is seriously evaluating Site Server and Interdev and plans to
> give up Powerbuilder and EAServer development.
> We have software in PB 7.0, everything is Client Server based as yet
> though and no Internet is involved.
> We are now planning on putting our software on the Internet and thats
> when my company plans on giving up the Sybase platform altogether and go
> the Microsoft way.
> I was wondering if any of you have had experiences with Visual Interdev
> and SiteServer versus EAStudio or if there are any comparisons out there
> of the two.
> Being a Powerbuilder programmer I'd like to move on to the more obvious
> EAStudio but my company wants Interdev and Site Server because of Visual
> Interdev's market share coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers
> Any help or advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated
> Thanks
> Jehangir


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Jim O'Neil [Sybase] Posted on 2000-02-27 02:31:01.0Z
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Jehangir Abdulla wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> My company is seriously evaluating Site Server and Interdev and plans to
> give up Powerbuilder and EAServer development.
> We have software in PB 7.0, everything is Client Server based as yet
> though and no Internet is involved.
> We are now planning on putting our software on the Internet and thats
> when my company plans on giving up the Sybase platform altogether and go
> the Microsoft way.
> I was wondering if any of you have had experiences with Visual Interdev
> and SiteServer versus EAStudio or if there are any comparisons out there
> of the two.
> Being a Powerbuilder programmer I'd like to move on to the more obvious
> EAStudio but my company wants Interdev and Site Server because of Visual
> Interdev's market share coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers
> Any help or advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated
> Thanks
> Jehangir

Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out the
irony of the statement:

"...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"

You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as it
should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that has to
be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder expertise, it
seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier to
n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.

--
Jim O'Neil
Senior Technical Support Engineer
Sybase, Inc


Philip Salgannik Posted on 2000-02-27 04:37:12.0Z
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"Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com> wrote in message
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> Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out the
> irony of the statement:
>
> "...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"
>
> You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
> programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
> PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
> shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as it
> should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that has to
> be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder expertise,
it
> seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier to
> n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.
>
> --
> Jim O'Neil
> Senior Technical Support Engineer
> Sybase, Inc

The irony I guess lies in total failure of Sybase marketing machine (if
there is one) in promoting this simple message coupled with prohibitive
price of Jaguar...


Dave Wolf [Sybase] Posted on 2000-02-27 13:34:22.0Z
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Well Im a touch biggoted but

1) Market share. EAS is experiencing amazing growth. I mean on the scale
of thousands of percent quarter on quarter. You may feel the marketing isnt
working, but we can see it working. Watch the financials over the next few
quarters, and I think you'll see.

2) Cost. I challenge you that EAS is the cheapest enterprise class (BEA,
IBM, SSSW, Inprise, etc) application server on the market today. We are
less expensive than any of them. I know, I have their pricing schedules :)

Dave Wolf
Internet Applications Division

"Philip Salgannik" <philena@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:38B88C65.C90CFA4@sybase.com...
> > Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out the
> > irony of the statement:
> >
> > "...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> > Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"
> >
> > You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
> > programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
> > PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
> > shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as
it
> > should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that has
to
> > be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder
expertise,
> it
> > seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier
to
> > n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.
> >
> > --
> > Jim O'Neil
> > Senior Technical Support Engineer
> > Sybase, Inc
>
> The irony I guess lies in total failure of Sybase marketing machine (if
> there is one) in promoting this simple message coupled with prohibitive
> price of Jaguar...
>


Philip Salgannik Posted on 2000-02-28 22:27:10.0Z
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Unfortunately your comment is out of context.
We are specifically talking about the fate of PowerBuilder and the fact that
even the allmighty Jaguar is failing to save it...

Since you are closer to numbers then I am, can you tell how many new
PowerBuilder/Jaguar projects are under development in let's say Greater
Boston area (which is includes Concord, MA if you catch my drift :-)) ) ?

--
pbm_thisusuallydoesnothelp :-))

"Dave Wolf [Sybase]" <dwolf@sybase.com> wrote in message
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> Well Im a touch biggoted but
>
> 1) Market share. EAS is experiencing amazing growth. I mean on the scale
> of thousands of percent quarter on quarter. You may feel the marketing
isnt
> working, but we can see it working. Watch the financials over the next
few
> quarters, and I think you'll see.
>
> 2) Cost. I challenge you that EAS is the cheapest enterprise class (BEA,
> IBM, SSSW, Inprise, etc) application server on the market today. We are
> less expensive than any of them. I know, I have their pricing schedules
:)
>
> Dave Wolf
> Internet Applications Division
>
> "Philip Salgannik" <philena@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:XzRG0zNg$GA.251@forums.sybase.com...
> >
> > "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com> wrote in message
> > news:38B88C65.C90CFA4@sybase.com...
> > > Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out
the
> > > irony of the statement:
> > >
> > > "...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> > > Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"
> > >
> > > You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
> > > programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
> > > PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
> > > shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as
> it
> > > should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that
has
> to
> > > be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder
> expertise,
> > it
> > > seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier
> to
> > > n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jim O'Neil
> > > Senior Technical Support Engineer
> > > Sybase, Inc
> >
> > The irony I guess lies in total failure of Sybase marketing machine (if
> > there is one) in promoting this simple message coupled with prohibitive
> > price of Jaguar...
> >
>
>


Adam Simmonds Posted on 2000-02-29 08:46:28.0Z
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Well I can tell you that in Sydney, Australia which has a high number of
powerbuilder shops, there is large interest in Jaguar and especially the ability
to utilise skills already in-house (i.e. powerbuilder). I attended the techwave
conference today and of the three lectures I went to, there was a resounding
majority who are using powerbuilder in jaguar and I think I saw two hands go up
for java and even then they asked specific powerbuilder questions pointing at
the fact they must still be using ( or considering ) the use of powerbuilder in
jaguar with their java ( highlighting its flexibility as well! ).

The US may be different but from browsing job sites there must be a large number
of businesses in the states who are using powerbuilder at the moment. Which way
is cost effective for these businesses???

Rgds
Adam

Philip Salgannik wrote:

> Unfortunately your comment is out of context.
> We are specifically talking about the fate of PowerBuilder and the fact that
> even the allmighty Jaguar is failing to save it...
>
> Since you are closer to numbers then I am, can you tell how many new
> PowerBuilder/Jaguar projects are under development in let's say Greater
> Boston area (which is includes Concord, MA if you catch my drift :-)) ) ?
>
> --
> pbm_thisusuallydoesnothelp :-))
>
> "Dave Wolf [Sybase]" <dwolf@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:gD6phfSg$GA.274@forums.sybase.com...
> > Well Im a touch biggoted but
> >
> > 1) Market share. EAS is experiencing amazing growth. I mean on the scale
> > of thousands of percent quarter on quarter. You may feel the marketing
> isnt
> > working, but we can see it working. Watch the financials over the next
> few
> > quarters, and I think you'll see.
> >
> > 2) Cost. I challenge you that EAS is the cheapest enterprise class (BEA,
> > IBM, SSSW, Inprise, etc) application server on the market today. We are
> > less expensive than any of them. I know, I have their pricing schedules
> :)
> >
> > Dave Wolf
> > Internet Applications Division
> >
> > "Philip Salgannik" <philena@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:XzRG0zNg$GA.251@forums.sybase.com...
> > >
> > > "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com> wrote in message
> > > news:38B88C65.C90CFA4@sybase.com...
> > > > Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out
> the
> > > > irony of the statement:
> > > >
> > > > "...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> > > > Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"
> > > >
> > > > You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
> > > > programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
> > > > PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
> > > > shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as
> > it
> > > > should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that
> has
> > to
> > > > be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder
> > expertise,
> > > it
> > > > seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier
> > to
> > > > n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jim O'Neil
> > > > Senior Technical Support Engineer
> > > > Sybase, Inc
> > >
> > > The irony I guess lies in total failure of Sybase marketing machine (if
> > > there is one) in promoting this simple message coupled with prohibitive
> > > price of Jaguar...
> > >
> >
> >


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Adam Simmonds Posted on 2000-02-27 05:56:53.0Z
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I dont know if the price is that steep.
As long as you dont go for all the bells and whistle like two phase commit, high
availability etc it is not too bad. We got a good deal from sybase who I am
sure want to get a get grounding of EAS users.
Oh we also promised to be a test case or something for their web site ( not
totally clear on this! )
A.

Philip Salgannik wrote:

> "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:38B88C65.C90CFA4@sybase.com...
> > Probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't help pointing out the
> > irony of the statement:
> >
> > "...coupled with the ease in finding Interdev and
> > Siteserver programmers versus EAStudio programmers"
> >
> > You're a PowerBuilder shop - you already have your 'EAStudio
> > programmers'!!! The way I view things, the movement of traditional
> > PowerBuilder (that is, client/server) development to EAServer really
> > shouldn't be measured by the learning curve of the EAServer product as it
> > should in the paradigm shift from 2-tier to n-tier designs and that has to
> > be faced regardless of the tool. By shelving the PowerBuilder expertise,
> it
> > seems a step backwards in that now you do have to face both the 2-tier to
> > n-tier jump in addition to the new development tool, Visual Interdev.
> >
> > --
> > Jim O'Neil
> > Senior Technical Support Engineer
> > Sybase, Inc
>
> The irony I guess lies in total failure of Sybase marketing machine (if
> there is one) in promoting this simple message coupled with prohibitive
> price of Jaguar...


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