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Open architecture NVO

18 posts in Objects Last posting was on 2003-02-12 17:19:31.0Z
Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-07 18:20:55.0Z
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I need to create a NVO with local external functions that interact with a
3rd party spellcheck utility, allowing our users to spellcheck within our
application.

I also have to make this "open" so that we can plug in any like 3rd party
utility. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this?

Thanks,

Jon


Arnoud Oortwijk Posted on 2003-02-10 16:16:13.0Z
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Depending on how open, open is. If you also want other developers using
other tools than PB to access your NVO you could deploy it as a PBCOM
object. (see the project painter)

HTH

Arnoud
HTH http://www.gloriant.be

<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> I need to create a NVO with local external functions that interact with a
> 3rd party spellcheck utility, allowing our users to spellcheck within our
> application.
>
> I also have to make this "open" so that we can plug in any like 3rd party
> utility. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-11 22:04:20.0Z
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That's too open. We'll be concentrating on PB7 for now.

Jon


Chris Keating Posted on 2003-02-08 17:49:37.0Z
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Why don't you look at PFC platform service which implements the concept that
you are trying to acheive.

/ck

<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> I need to create a NVO with local external functions that interact with a
> 3rd party spellcheck utility, allowing our users to spellcheck within our
> application.
>
> I also have to make this "open" so that we can plug in any like 3rd party
> utility. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-09 07:17:21.0Z
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Thanks for the response.

The app is non pfc. I've got to create any objects from scratch.

Jon


David Rawheiser Posted on 2003-02-10 01:35:20.0Z
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1. Get the documentation for all the spell checking APIs that you can.

2. Read the manuals and come up with the a list of the functions they all
have in common.

3. Create an empty object with empty functions using the common names they
have (call it perhaps - n_cst_spell_base).

4. Inherit from this empty or 'abstract' object and add the code to use the
specific spell checking you are using (call this perhaps n_cst_spell_api1) .
This is the object you will be using in your program, but the variable type
you will be declaring will be the ancestor (as below).

string ls_impl
ls_impl = 'n_cst_spell_api1'

lnv_spell n_cst_spell_base
lnv_spell = create using ls_impl

5. Optionally for completeness, create additional spell checking objects
with another vendor's software (same way as in step 4) and see if they both
work interchangeably. Modify the n_cst_spell_base functions names if you
didn't get the common features right in the first trial.

Please note this is not easy, you will have to work, and you won't get it
right the first time.

As pointed out before, you can use the PFC as an example of how a PB program
does this.

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> Thanks for the response.
>
> The app is non pfc. I've got to create any objects from scratch.
>
> Jon


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-10 15:56:08.0Z
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Thanks for your response. I'll try it out!

Jon


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-10 16:07:10.0Z
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When creating this base nvo with empty functions, how do I handle the
parameters? For example, I've got some common functionality between
spellcheck utilities, say, search a text box for missspellings. In the NVO
I create a function called CheckAll, but how about the input. One
Spellcheck utility may require a text box passed in while another may
require a string?

Is it possible to make this user interactive? Lets say that I display a
window to collect some some basic info, lets say dll name, function name
and parameters. Then when clicking ok, User object gets created based on a
small window info. Almost like it works when you create an ODBC file. Is
there a create user object function?

Thanks,

Jon


Chris Keating Posted on 2003-02-10 17:02:44.0Z
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ODBC is a common interface. The vendor provides the connection dialog and
converts the dialog information to the necessary common ODBC call. What you
really need to a common API like ODBC, OLDDB, or SCC ( source, or version,
control ) for spellcheckers.

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<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> When creating this base nvo with empty functions, how do I handle the
> parameters? For example, I've got some common functionality between
> spellcheck utilities, say, search a text box for missspellings. In the NVO
> I create a function called CheckAll, but how about the input. One
> Spellcheck utility may require a text box passed in while another may
> require a string?
>
> Is it possible to make this user interactive? Lets say that I display a
> window to collect some some basic info, lets say dll name, function name
> and parameters. Then when clicking ok, User object gets created based on a
> small window info. Almost like it works when you create an ODBC file. Is
> there a create user object function?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
>


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-12 15:18:46.0Z
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Ok, but how do I handle the first question:

When creating this base nvo with empty functions, how do I handle the
parameters? For example, I've got some common functionality between
spellcheck utilities, say, search a text box for missspellings. In the NVO
I create a function called CheckAll, but how about the input. One
Spellcheck utility may require a text box passed in while another may
require a string?

Jon


"Tim Wallace" <reply Posted on 2003-02-12 17:19:31.0Z
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Overloaded functions?

Tim

<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> Ok, but how do I handle the first question:
>
> When creating this base nvo with empty functions, how do I handle the
> parameters? For example, I've got some common functionality between
> spellcheck utilities, say, search a text box for missspellings. In the NVO
> I create a function called CheckAll, but how about the input. One
> Spellcheck utility may require a text box passed in while another may
> require a string?
>
> Jon


Chris Keating Posted on 2003-02-09 20:11:25.0Z
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Right? I never said use PFCs. The PFC platform server demonstrates an 'open
architecture NVO'. Use it as a example of what you are trying to achieve.

/ck

<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the response.
>
> The app is non pfc. I've got to create any objects from scratch.
>
> Jon


Boris Gasin [TeamSybase] Posted on 2003-02-10 01:15:20.0Z
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:20:55 -0500, Jon_Andersson wrote:

>I need to create a NVO with local external functions that interact with a
>3rd party spellcheck utility, allowing our users to spellcheck within our
>application.
>
>I also have to make this "open" so that we can plug in any like 3rd party
>utility. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to do this?

Also could you elaborate on what you mean by "open" and "plug-in".
Are the applications you are plugging in written in PB? Same version?


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Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-10 15:41:05.0Z
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Thanks for your response.

"Open" refers to having other "like" spellcheck products work with it as
well. So if we setup product x and the customer wants to use product y,
they can do it (provided that product y is a similar product ie.
client/server based vs web-based).

By the way, we're looking to do this via api calls instead of using an
activex component.

The app I want to plug the spellchecker utility into is PB7.


Chris Keating Posted on 2003-02-10 16:46:22.0Z
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Lets be realistic here. Is there a common spellchecker interface API
available? Not as far as I know but I may be wrong. Without a common
interface API, vendors can implement their spellchecker any way they choose
(irregardless of ActiveX or DLL implementation). one vendor may choose to
implement spellcheck of a word as the method "CheckSpelling" while another
could implement the same logical method as "CheckWord". Or one vendor may
choose to return a list of proposed new spellings when the method returns
whereas another vendor may require you to call a second function
"GetProposedSpellings".

Since this common API interface is not available, it will be your
responsibility to write it to achieve your goal. The problem with this is
that you either have to write and maintain logic for each and every
spellchecker tool or you have to be selective about which ones you support.

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<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your response.
>
> "Open" refers to having other "like" spellcheck products work with it as
> well. So if we setup product x and the customer wants to use product y,
> they can do it (provided that product y is a similar product ie.
> client/server based vs web-based).
>
> By the way, we're looking to do this via api calls instead of using an
> activex component.
>
> The app I want to plug the spellchecker utility into is PB7.
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Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-11 22:03:07.0Z
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From: Jon_Andersson
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:03:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Open architecture NVO
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Ok. What if I narrowed down the choices to maybe 2 like APIs with similar
basic functionality like of_checkall and of_checkblock. What might be the
approach you'd take then?

Jon


Chris Keating Posted on 2003-02-12 00:14:34.0Z
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I stand by my first recommendation to use the pfc platform service as an
example of what you are trying to achieve.

/ck

<Jon_Andersson> wrote in message
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> Ok. What if I narrowed down the choices to maybe 2 like APIs with similar
> basic functionality like of_checkall and of_checkblock. What might be the
> approach you'd take then?
>
> Jon


Jon_Andersson Posted on 2003-02-07 18:50:10.0Z
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From: jon_Andersson
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:50:10 -0500
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By the way, I'm using pb 7.

Jon