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Is PB Contracting the way to go?

10 posts in Job Postings Last posting was on 2003-03-03 17:18:01.0Z
Todd Rundgren Posted on 2001-10-30 20:51:04.0Z
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I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?


Jerry Siegel Posted on 2001-11-01 18:45:23.0Z
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I wouldn't use "stability" and "contract work" in the same sentence. When I
was doing it, I had a 4 month gig turn into 4 years at the same place on
different projects, and I also came in one Friday and was told the project
was on hold, don't come in Monday.
To add to Terry's advice, I found that demand was highest at the beginning
of an upturn in the economy and in a slight downturn. In both cases, clients
have work that absolutely positively has to be done, but are hesitant to add
permanent staff.
Bottom line, it's the *next* gig that makes or breaks a contract worker. If
you don't have the marketing skills or are not willing to pay a broker to do
the marketing for you, or if you do not have the initiative to keep your
skills up to date on your own time and money, faggedaboutit.

Todd Rundgren wrote in message <3BDF12B8.274687BD@na.com>...
>I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
>I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
>stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
>opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>


Todd Rundgren Posted on 2001-11-01 20:52:58.0Z
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Very interesting. I like the idea of moving from project to project and I'm not
afraid to hone my skills on my own. I just don't like the idea of risking a
layoff between gigs for a potential 20-30k payoff per year. Especially in an
economy where consultants are competing so hard for jobs. I think I'll stay
permanent for now. Thanks very much for the feedback!

Jerry Siegel wrote:

> I wouldn't use "stability" and "contract work" in the same sentence. When I
> was doing it, I had a 4 month gig turn into 4 years at the same place on
> different projects, and I also came in one Friday and was told the project
> was on hold, don't come in Monday.
> To add to Terry's advice, I found that demand was highest at the beginning
> of an upturn in the economy and in a slight downturn. In both cases, clients
> have work that absolutely positively has to be done, but are hesitant to add
> permanent staff.
> Bottom line, it's the *next* gig that makes or breaks a contract worker. If
> you don't have the marketing skills or are not willing to pay a broker to do
> the marketing for you, or if you do not have the initiative to keep your
> skills up to date on your own time and money, faggedaboutit.
>
> Todd Rundgren wrote in message <3BDF12B8.274687BD@na.com>...
> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
> >


Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase] Posted on 2001-11-02 22:29:15.0Z
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I guess I'm going to run contrary to the stream here. It seems to me that
'permanent' employees don't have any more job security than contractors,
they just don't know it and as a result aren't getting paid for the risk.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:52:58 -0600,
in news.job_postings

Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
>Very interesting. I like the idea of moving from project to project and I'm not
>afraid to hone my skills on my own. I just don't like the idea of risking a
>layoff between gigs for a potential 20-30k payoff per year. Especially in an
>economy where consultants are competing so hard for jobs. I think I'll stay
>permanent for now. Thanks very much for the feedback!
>
>Jerry Siegel wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't use "stability" and "contract work" in the same sentence. When I
>> was doing it, I had a 4 month gig turn into 4 years at the same place on
>> different projects, and I also came in one Friday and was told the project
>> was on hold, don't come in Monday.
>> To add to Terry's advice, I found that demand was highest at the beginning
>> of an upturn in the economy and in a slight downturn. In both cases, clients
>> have work that absolutely positively has to be done, but are hesitant to add
>> permanent staff.
>> Bottom line, it's the *next* gig that makes or breaks a contract worker. If
>> you don't have the marketing skills or are not willing to pay a broker to do
>> the marketing for you, or if you do not have the initiative to keep your
>> skills up to date on your own time and money, faggedaboutit.
>>
>> Todd Rundgren wrote in message <3BDF12B8.274687BD@na.com>...
>> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
>> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
>> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
>> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>> >
>

Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
http://www.needhim.org

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Jerry Siegel Posted on 2001-11-05 15:03:04.0Z
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Point well taken. The only real job security comes from being able to do
superbly what few can do at all. But employees do tend to get some warning
and usually some severance pay when downsized. Contractors just get a
"thanks for your help - we'll call when we need you".

Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase] wrote in message ...
>I guess I'm going to run contrary to the stream here. It seems to me that
>'permanent' employees don't have any more job security than contractors,
>they just don't know it and as a result aren't getting paid for the risk.
>
>On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:52:58 -0600,
> in news.job_postings
>Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
>>Very interesting. I like the idea of moving from project to project and
I'm not
>>afraid to hone my skills on my own. I just don't like the idea of risking
a
>>layoff between gigs for a potential 20-30k payoff per year. Especially in
an
>>economy where consultants are competing so hard for jobs. I think I'll
stay
>>permanent for now. Thanks very much for the feedback!
>>
>>Jerry Siegel wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't use "stability" and "contract work" in the same sentence.
When I
>>> was doing it, I had a 4 month gig turn into 4 years at the same place on
>>> different projects, and I also came in one Friday and was told the
project
>>> was on hold, don't come in Monday.
>>> To add to Terry's advice, I found that demand was highest at the
beginning
>>> of an upturn in the economy and in a slight downturn. In both cases,
clients
>>> have work that absolutely positively has to be done, but are hesitant to
add
>>> permanent staff.
>>> Bottom line, it's the *next* gig that makes or breaks a contract worker.
If
>>> you don't have the marketing skills or are not willing to pay a broker
to do
>>> the marketing for you, or if you do not have the initiative to keep your
>>> skills up to date on your own time and money, faggedaboutit.
>>>
>>> Todd Rundgren wrote in message <3BDF12B8.274687BD@na.com>...
>>> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
>>> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about
the
>>> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
>>> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>>> >
>>
>
>Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
>http://www.needhim.org
>
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Timo Posted on 2002-09-05 03:09:37.0Z
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Exactly,
There is not such "job security" at all, with tens of thousands of layoffs
every day.
The key point is, keep your skills current and always hunt for the best
chance.

and good luck.

"Jerry Siegel" <jerrys@data-sci.com.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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> Point well taken. The only real job security comes from being able to do
> superbly what few can do at all. But employees do tend to get some warning
> and usually some severance pay when downsized. Contractors just get a
> "thanks for your help - we'll call when we need you".
>
> Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase] wrote in message ...
> >I guess I'm going to run contrary to the stream here. It seems to me
that
> >'permanent' employees don't have any more job security than contractors,
> >they just don't know it and as a result aren't getting paid for the risk.
> >
> >On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:52:58 -0600,
> > in news.job_postings
> >Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
> >>Very interesting. I like the idea of moving from project to project and
> I'm not
> >>afraid to hone my skills on my own. I just don't like the idea of
risking
> a
> >>layoff between gigs for a potential 20-30k payoff per year. Especially
in
> an
> >>economy where consultants are competing so hard for jobs. I think I'll
> stay
> >>permanent for now. Thanks very much for the feedback!
> >>
> >>Jerry Siegel wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wouldn't use "stability" and "contract work" in the same sentence.
> When I
> >>> was doing it, I had a 4 month gig turn into 4 years at the same place
on
> >>> different projects, and I also came in one Friday and was told the
> project
> >>> was on hold, don't come in Monday.
> >>> To add to Terry's advice, I found that demand was highest at the
> beginning
> >>> of an upturn in the economy and in a slight downturn. In both cases,
> clients
> >>> have work that absolutely positively has to be done, but are hesitant
to
> add
> >>> permanent staff.
> >>> Bottom line, it's the *next* gig that makes or breaks a contract
worker.
> If
> >>> you don't have the marketing skills or are not willing to pay a broker
> to do
> >>> the marketing for you, or if you do not have the initiative to keep
your
> >>> skills up to date on your own time and money, faggedaboutit.
> >>>
> >>> Todd Rundgren wrote in message <3BDF12B8.274687BD@na.com>...
> >>> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL
7.0.
> >>> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about
> the
> >>> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
> >>> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
> >>> >
> >>
> >
> >Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
> >http://www.needhim.org
> >
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> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
>
>


Terry Voth Posted on 2001-11-01 12:44:42.0Z
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Might not be the best time to get involved in contracting in general:

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5098683,00.html

In a downturn, contractors are usually the first hit, and the last to
recover.

Just my opinion.

Terry [TeamSybase] and Sequel the techno-kitten

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:51:04 -0600, Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:

>I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
>I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
>stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
>opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?

Sequel's Sandbox: http://www.techno-kitten.com
Home of PBL Peeper, a PowerBuilder Developer's Toolkit.
Version 2.1.01 now available at the Sandbox
^ ^
o o
=*=


Vanilla Bhasin Posted on 2003-02-17 20:04:36.0Z
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Hi,

I am trying to fill a position for a client of mine based out of Beltsville,
Maryland. He is looking for someone with experience in Powerbuilder and
Centrex. I can have interview conducted today for the right person. Please
send me resumes asap if interested.

Vanilla Bhasin
Corpus Inc.
972-580-1777 x 13
vanilla@corpusinc.com
Technical skills required are the following:

Software - PowerBuilder, SQL, PL/SQL, and possibly Java and JavaScript.

Database - Oracle

OS - Solaris

Functional Knowledge - Switching Technologies ( DMS, 5E, PBX ) and strong

need for Centrex Configuration knowledge as it pertains to modeling a

centrex in our current database design.

"Terry Voth" <sequel@techno-kitten.com> wrote in message
news:krg2ut4d5l8biu3u0nr48v17mi3se2r18r@4ax.com...
> Might not be the best time to get involved in contracting in general:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5098683,00.html
>
> In a downturn, contractors are usually the first hit, and the last to
> recover.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Terry [TeamSybase] and Sequel the techno-kitten
>
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:51:04 -0600, Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
>
> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>
>
> Sequel's Sandbox: http://www.techno-kitten.com
> Home of PBL Peeper, a PowerBuilder Developer's Toolkit.
> Version 2.1.01 now available at the Sandbox
> ^ ^
> o o
> =*=


Rajat Posted on 2003-03-03 17:18:01.0Z
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:04:36 -0600,
in news.job_postings

Vanilla Bhasin <vanilla@corpusinc.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am trying to fill a position for a client of mine based out of Beltsville,
>Maryland. He is looking for someone with experience in Powerbuilder and
>Centrex. I can have interview conducted today for the right person. Please
>send me resumes asap if interested.
>
>Vanilla Bhasin
>Corpus Inc.
>972-580-1777 x 13
>vanilla@corpusinc.com
>Technical skills required are the following:
>
>Software - PowerBuilder, SQL, PL/SQL, and possibly Java and JavaScript.
>
>Database - Oracle
>
>OS - Solaris
>
>Functional Knowledge - Switching Technologies ( DMS, 5E, PBX ) and strong
>
>need for Centrex Configuration knowledge as it pertains to modeling a
>
>centrex in our current database design.
>
>
>"Terry Voth" <sequel@techno-kitten.com> wrote in message
>news:krg2ut4d5l8biu3u0nr48v17mi3se2r18r@4ax.com...
>> Might not be the best time to get involved in contracting in general:
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5098683,00.html
>>
>> In a downturn, contractors are usually the first hit, and the last to
>> recover.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Terry [TeamSybase] and Sequel the techno-kitten
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:51:04 -0600, Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
>> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
>> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
>> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>>
>>
>> Sequel's Sandbox: http://www.techno-kitten.com
>> Home of PBL Peeper, a PowerBuilder Developer's Toolkit.
>> Version 2.1.01 now available at the Sandbox
>> ^ ^
>> o o
>> =*=
>
>

Contact me with deatils about your organisations details like turnover,number of
employees.


Todd Rundgren Posted on 2001-11-01 17:55:25.0Z
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Good advice... Thanks you for your input, Terry.

Terry Voth wrote:

> Might not be the best time to get involved in contracting in general:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5098683,00.html
>
> In a downturn, contractors are usually the first hit, and the last to
> recover.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Terry [TeamSybase] and Sequel the techno-kitten
>
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:51:04 -0600, Todd Rundgren <na@na.com> wrote:
>
> >I have an opportunity for a 6 month contract doing PB/Java and SQL 7.0.
> >I have been a permanent employee for 7+ years and am concerned about the
> >stability of contract work and the future of PowerBuilder and other
> >opportunities. Can anyone offer any advice?
>
> Sequel's Sandbox: http://www.techno-kitten.com
> Home of PBL Peeper, a PowerBuilder Developer's Toolkit.
> Version 2.1.01 now available at the Sandbox
> ^ ^
> o o
> =*=