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which pda to purchase

21 posts in Pocket PowerBuilder Last posting was on 2003-10-15 13:51:49.0Z
Doug Stone Posted on 2003-10-05 16:21:45.0Z
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I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have installed?

Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how much
memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would purchase
today?

Thanks,
Doug


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-05 19:15:26.0Z
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From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's, Toshiba's(can't
remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all ran the
app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to the
edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's with
no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003 OS,
but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq,
chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems
they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my neighborhood
anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our
production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an issue.

Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no major
issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with the
cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of one
Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into scanning
then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
advice on that.

Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.

In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it would
be the Dell Axim.

My .02 Canadian cents, HTH

Greg Winfield
President
Winfield Solutions

"Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
installed?
>
> Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how much
> memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would purchase
> today?
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>


Rahul Jain Posted on 2003-10-05 20:07:37.0Z
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Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely love my
iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes with
some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run great on
it.

--
Rahul

"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
Toshiba's(can't
> remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all ran
the
> app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to the
> edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's with
> no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003 OS,
> but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq,
> chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems
> they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my neighborhood
> anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our
> production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no major
> issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with the
> cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of one
> Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into scanning
> then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> advice on that.
>
> Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
>
> In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it would
> be the Dell Axim.
>
> My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
>
> Greg Winfield
> President
> Winfield Solutions
>
> "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> >
> > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> installed?
> >
> > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how much
> > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would purchase
> > today?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
>


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-05 21:35:45.0Z
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Rahul

Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a model
3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it many
times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to the
Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed. It's too
light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you have to
keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to pull it out
the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very annoying
compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle after only
using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked with it
having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field - hence I
won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself is
great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking the unit.

Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come up with
something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly not
hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and purchase it
directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.

PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed his mind
since we last spoke?).....To each his own.

Greg

"Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
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> Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely love my
> iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes with
> some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run great
on
> it.
>
> --
> Rahul
>
>
>
> "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> Toshiba's(can't
> > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all ran
> the
> > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to
the
> > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's
with
> > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003
OS,
> > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq,
> > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems
> > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
neighborhood
> > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our
> > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
issue.
> >
> > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
major
> > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with the
> > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of
one
> > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into scanning
> > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> > advice on that.
> >
> > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> >
> > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
would
> > be the Dell Axim.
> >
> > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> >
> > Greg Winfield
> > President
> > Winfield Solutions
> >
> > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > >
> > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > installed?
> > >
> > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
much
> > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
purchase
> > > today?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


<Mohit Chanana> Posted on 2003-10-06 13:03:37.0Z
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I am using iPAQ 5555; Although its a very good machine functionality wise
but the cradle thing is still an issue.

"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> Rahul
>
> Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a model
> 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it many
> times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to the
> Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed. It's too
> light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you have
to
> keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to pull it
out
> the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
annoying
> compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle after only
> using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked with
it
> having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field - hence
I
> won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself is
> great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking the
unit.
>
> Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come up with
> something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly not
> hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
> something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and purchase it
> directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
>
> PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed his
mind
> since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
>
> Greg
>
> "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely love
my
> > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes with
> > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run great
> on
> > it.
> >
> > --
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > Toshiba's(can't
> > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all
ran
> > the
> > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to
> the
> > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's
> with
> > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003
> OS,
> > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an
Ipaq,
> > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas.
Seems
> > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> neighborhood
> > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for
our
> > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
> issue.
> > >
> > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
> major
> > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with
the
> > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of
> one
> > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into
scanning
> > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> > > advice on that.
> > >
> > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > >
> > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
> would
> > > be the Dell Axim.
> > >
> > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > >
> > > Greg Winfield
> > > President
> > > Winfield Solutions
> > >
> > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > >
> > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile
device.
> > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > > installed?
> > > >
> > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
> much
> > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> purchase
> > > > today?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Rahul Jain Posted on 2003-10-06 15:35:20.0Z
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Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now (I've had
it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with the
machine.

Rahul

"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> Rahul
>
> Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a model
> 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it many
> times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to the
> Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed. It's too
> light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you have
to
> keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to pull it
out
> the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
annoying
> compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle after only
> using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked with
it
> having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field - hence
I
> won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself is
> great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking the
unit.
>
> Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come up with
> something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly not
> hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
> something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and purchase it
> directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
>
> PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed his
mind
> since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
>
> Greg
>
> "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely love
my
> > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes with
> > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run great
> on
> > it.
> >
> > --
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > Toshiba's(can't
> > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all
ran
> > the
> > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to
> the
> > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's
> with
> > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003
> OS,
> > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an
Ipaq,
> > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas.
Seems
> > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> neighborhood
> > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for
our
> > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
> issue.
> > >
> > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
> major
> > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with
the
> > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of
> one
> > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into
scanning
> > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> > > advice on that.
> > >
> > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > >
> > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
> would
> > > be the Dell Axim.
> > >
> > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > >
> > > Greg Winfield
> > > President
> > > Winfield Solutions
> > >
> > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > >
> > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile
device.
> > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > > installed?
> > > >
> > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
> much
> > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> purchase
> > > > today?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-06 17:22:25.0Z
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I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss up
between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick record
button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which I
prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and gets
fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.

Again....to each his own

Greg

"Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now (I've
had
> it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with the
> machine.
>
> Rahul
>
>
> "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > Rahul
> >
> > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a model
> > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it
many
> > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to the
> > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed. It's
too
> > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you
have
> to
> > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to pull it
> out
> > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> annoying
> > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle after
only
> > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked with
> it
> > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field -
hence
> I
> > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself is
> > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking the
> unit.
> >
> > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come up
with
> > something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly not
> > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
> > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and purchase
it
> > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> >
> > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed his
> mind
> > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely
love
> my
> > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes
with
> > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run
great
> > on
> > > it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rahul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all
> ran
> > > the
> > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close
to
> > the
> > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003
OS's
> > with
> > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process
of
> > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get
2003
> > OS,
> > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an
> Ipaq,
> > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas.
> Seems
> > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > neighborhood
> > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for
> our
> > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
> > issue.
> > > >
> > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
> > major
> > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is
to
> > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with
> the
> > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price
of
> > one
> > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
complete
> > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into
> scanning
> > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer
any
> > > > advice on that.
> > > >
> > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > >
> > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
> > would
> > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > >
> > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > >
> > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > President
> > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > >
> > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile
> device.
> > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > > > installed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
> > much
> > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> > purchase
> > > > > today?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2003-10-06 17:28:27.0Z
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However, my Dell lasts up to 3 days on a single charge. Where as the
IPAQ needed a recharge once a day.

"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:3f81a4d1@forums-1-dub...
> I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss up
> between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick
record
> button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which I
> prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and gets
> fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
>
> Again....to each his own
>
> Greg
> "Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> > Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now (I've
> had
> > it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with the
> > machine.
> >
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > > Rahul
> > >
> > > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a
model
> > > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it
> many
> > > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to
the
> > > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed. It's
> too
> > > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you
> have
> > to
> > > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to pull
it
> > out
> > > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> > annoying
> > > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle after
> only
> > > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked
with
> > it
> > > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field -
> hence
> > I
> > > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself
is
> > > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking the
> > unit.
> > >
> > > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come up
> with
> > > something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly
not
> > > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
> > > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and purchase
> it
> > > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> > >
> > > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed
his
> > mind
> > > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely
> love
> > my
> > > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also comes
> with
> > > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run
> great
> > > on
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was
all
> > ran
> > > > the
> > > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close
> to
> > > the
> > > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003
> OS's
> > > with
> > > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the
process
> of
> > > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get
> 2003
> > > OS,
> > > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an
> > Ipaq,
> > > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas.
> > Seems
> > > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > > neighborhood
> > > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient
for
> > our
> > > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
> > > issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and
no
> > > major
> > > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is
> to
> > > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
destruction
> > > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go
with
> > the
> > > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price
> of
> > > one
> > > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
> complete
> > > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into
> > scanning
> > > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer
> any
> > > > > advice on that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has
the
> > > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > > >
> > > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years
it
> > > would
> > > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > > >
> > > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > > President
> > > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > > >
> > > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile
> > device.
> > > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I
have
> > > > > installed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld,
how
> > > much
> > > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> > > purchase
> > > > > > today?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase] Posted on 2003-10-06 17:31:12.0Z
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Well, according to the eWeek folks it doesn't matter, because the handheld
market is dead....

The Death of the Handheld Computer
By Rob Enderle
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1306665,00.asp


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"Chris Pollach" <PollachC@SCC-CSC.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:3f81a63b$1@forums-1-dub...
>
> However, my Dell lasts up to 3 days on a single charge. Where as the
> IPAQ needed a recharge once a day.
>
> "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3f81a4d1@forums-1-dub...
> > I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss up
> > between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick
> record
> > button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which I
> > prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and
gets
> > fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
> >
> > Again....to each his own
> >
> > Greg
> > "Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> > > Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now
(I've
> > had
> > > it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with
the
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > Rahul
> > >
> > >
> > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a
> model
> > > > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used it
> > many
> > > > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd to
> the
> > > > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed.
It's
> > too
> > > > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so you
> > have
> > > to
> > > > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to
pull
> it
> > > out
> > > > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> > > annoying
> > > > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle
after
> > only
> > > > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get ticked
> with
> > > it
> > > > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the field -
> > hence
> > > I
> > > > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA itself
> is
> > > > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking
the
> > > unit.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come
up
> > with
> > > > something better for future versions. If they did, I would certainly
> not
> > > > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I wanted
> > > > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and
purchase
> > it
> > > > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> > > >
> > > > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's changed
> his
> > > mind
> > > > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I absolutely
> > love
> > > my
> > > > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also
comes
> > with
> > > > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps run
> > great
> > > > on
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rahul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels
of
> > > > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was
> all
> > > ran
> > > > > the
> > > > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram.
We
> > > > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously
close
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003
> > OS's
> > > > with
> > > > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the
> process
> > of
> > > > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get
> > 2003
> > > > OS,
> > > > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy
an
> > > Ipaq,
> > > > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about
Toshibas.
> > > Seems
> > > > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > > > neighborhood
> > > > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient
> for
> > > our
> > > > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be
an
> > > > issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production
and
> no
> > > > major
> > > > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money
is
> > to
> > > > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> destruction
> > > > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the
price
> > of
> > > > one
> > > > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
> > complete
> > > > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into
> > > scanning
> > > > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't
offer
> > any
> > > > > > advice on that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has
> the
> > > > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten
years
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > > > President
> > > > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile
> > > device.
> > > > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I
> have
> > > > > > installed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld,
> how
> > > > much
> > > > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> > > > purchase
> > > > > > > today?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Dean Jones [TeamSybase] Posted on 2003-10-06 19:00:45.0Z
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I think he is looking at this strictly from a personal use only. I don't see
FedX or UPS getting rid of the hand held any time soon. I also think that
companies that are not developing for the hand held will not be able to
compete with their competitors.

The hand held gives you greater flexibility, cleaner data and allow better
customer service. The technology just works, and the solutions can be done
today at a much cheaper price then before.

Does it add value for personal use? I don't think so, does it add value to
corporations. The answer is a definite YES.

--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
PowerObjects
http://www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112





"Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@teamsybase.com>

wrote in message news:3f81a6e0$1@forums-1-dub...
> Well, according to the eWeek folks it doesn't matter, because the handheld
> market is dead....
>
> The Death of the Handheld Computer
> By Rob Enderle
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1306665,00.asp
>
>
> --
> Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
> http://www.teamsybase.com
>
> Two new books on developing with PowerBuilder
> http://www.pb9books.com?source=newsgroups
>
> Need code sample? Check out CodeXchange:
> http://www.codexchange.sybase.com
>
> ISUG Enhancement Requests
> http://www.isug.com/cgi-bin/ISUG2/submit_enhancement
>
> Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words. - Francis of
Assisi
> http://www.needhim.org
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <PollachC@SCC-CSC.gc.ca> wrote in message
> news:3f81a63b$1@forums-1-dub...
> >
> > However, my Dell lasts up to 3 days on a single charge. Where as the
> > IPAQ needed a recharge once a day.
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f81a4d1@forums-1-dub...
> > > I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss
up
> > > between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick
> > record
> > > button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which
I
> > > prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and
> gets
> > > fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
> > >
> > > Again....to each his own
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > "Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now
> (I've
> > > had
> > > > it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with
> the
> > > > machine.
> > > >
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > Rahul
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a
> > model
> > > > > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used
it
> > > many
> > > > > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd
to
> > the
> > > > > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed.
> It's
> > > too
> > > > > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so
you
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to
> pull
> > it
> > > > out
> > > > > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> > > > annoying
> > > > > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle
> after
> > > only
> > > > > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get
ticked
> > with
> > > > it
> > > > > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the
field -
> > > hence
> > > > I
> > > > > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA
itself
> > is
> > > > > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking
> the
> > > > unit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come
> up
> > > with
> > > > > something better for future versions. If they did, I would
certainly
> > not
> > > > > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I
wanted
> > > > > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and
> purchase
> > > it
> > > > > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's
changed
> > his
> > > > mind
> > > > > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I
absolutely
> > > love
> > > > my
> > > > > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also
> comes
> > > with
> > > > > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps
run
> > > great
> > > > > on
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rahul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > > > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels
> of
> > > > > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed
was
> > all
> > > > ran
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of
ram.
> We
> > > > > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously
> close
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and
2003
> > > OS's
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll
get
> > > 2003
> > > > > OS,
> > > > > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to
buy
> an
> > > > Ipaq,
> > > > > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about
> Toshibas.
> > > > Seems
> > > > > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > > > > neighborhood
> > > > > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem
sufficient
> > for
> > > > our
> > > > > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't
be
> an
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production
> and
> > no
> > > > > major
> > > > > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the
money
> is
> > > to
> > > > > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> > destruction
> > > > > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to
go
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the
> price
> > > of
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
> > > complete
> > > > > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get
into
> > > > scanning
> > > > > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't
> offer
> > > any
> > > > > > > advice on that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell
has
> > the
> > > > > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten
> years
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > > > > President
> > > > > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a
mobile
> > > > device.
> > > > > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I
> > have
> > > > > > > installed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current
handheld,
> > how
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they
would
> > > > > purchase
> > > > > > > > today?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-06 17:56:29.0Z
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That's what the title says and I think its spin just to get people to read.
I don't think he really is saying its dead - but only that it could be alot
better than it is right now.
I don't think it's dead and apparently Sybase doesn't think so either or
there wouldn't be this big push to get PPB on the streets
From my personal marketing experience in my business field, PPC's are
dynamite, they are the right ticket at the right price. Laptops are not used
because of the costs and Palms never even enter the equation(one exception).

Greg
"Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@teamsybase.com>

wrote in message news:3f81a6e0$1@forums-1-dub...
> Well, according to the eWeek folks it doesn't matter, because the handheld
> market is dead....
>
> The Death of the Handheld Computer
> By Rob Enderle
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1306665,00.asp
>
>
> --
> Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
> http://www.teamsybase.com
>
> Two new books on developing with PowerBuilder
> http://www.pb9books.com?source=newsgroups
>
> Need code sample? Check out CodeXchange:
> http://www.codexchange.sybase.com
>
> ISUG Enhancement Requests
> http://www.isug.com/cgi-bin/ISUG2/submit_enhancement
>
> Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words. - Francis of
Assisi
> http://www.needhim.org
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <PollachC@SCC-CSC.gc.ca> wrote in message
> news:3f81a63b$1@forums-1-dub...
> >
> > However, my Dell lasts up to 3 days on a single charge. Where as the
> > IPAQ needed a recharge once a day.
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f81a4d1@forums-1-dub...
> > > I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss
up
> > > between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick
> > record
> > > button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which
I
> > > prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and
> gets
> > > fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
> > >
> > > Again....to each his own
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > "Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now
> (I've
> > > had
> > > > it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with
> the
> > > > machine.
> > > >
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > Rahul
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a
> > model
> > > > > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used
it
> > > many
> > > > > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd
to
> > the
> > > > > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed.
> It's
> > > too
> > > > > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so
you
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to
> pull
> > it
> > > > out
> > > > > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> > > > annoying
> > > > > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle
> after
> > > only
> > > > > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get
ticked
> > with
> > > > it
> > > > > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the
field -
> > > hence
> > > > I
> > > > > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA
itself
> > is
> > > > > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking
> the
> > > > unit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come
> up
> > > with
> > > > > something better for future versions. If they did, I would
certainly
> > not
> > > > > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I
wanted
> > > > > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and
> purchase
> > > it
> > > > > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's
changed
> > his
> > > > mind
> > > > > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I
absolutely
> > > love
> > > > my
> > > > > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also
> comes
> > > with
> > > > > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps
run
> > > great
> > > > > on
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rahul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > > > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels
> of
> > > > > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed
was
> > all
> > > > ran
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of
ram.
> We
> > > > > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously
> close
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and
2003
> > > OS's
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll
get
> > > 2003
> > > > > OS,
> > > > > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to
buy
> an
> > > > Ipaq,
> > > > > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about
> Toshibas.
> > > > Seems
> > > > > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > > > > neighborhood
> > > > > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem
sufficient
> > for
> > > > our
> > > > > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't
be
> an
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production
> and
> > no
> > > > > major
> > > > > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the
money
> is
> > > to
> > > > > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> > destruction
> > > > > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to
go
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the
> price
> > > of
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
> > > complete
> > > > > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get
into
> > > > scanning
> > > > > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't
> offer
> > > any
> > > > > > > advice on that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell
has
> > the
> > > > > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten
> years
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > > > > President
> > > > > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a
mobile
> > > > device.
> > > > > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I
> > have
> > > > > > > installed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current
handheld,
> > how
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they
would
> > > > > purchase
> > > > > > > > today?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Doug Stone Posted on 2003-10-07 20:38:52.0Z
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Bruce, I think the most alarming (if you will) aspect of the hand-held
market, is how fiercely Palm is starting to compete.
For the first time in my life, I find myself really rooting for Microsoft.
<g>

Doug
http://www.computerworld.com/mobiletopics/mobile/story/0,10801,85646,00.html?from=imutopicheads





"Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@teamsybase.com>

wrote in message news:3f81a6e0$1@forums-1-dub...
> Well, according to the eWeek folks it doesn't matter, because the handheld
> market is dead....
>
> The Death of the Handheld Computer
> By Rob Enderle
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1306665,00.asp
>
>
> --
> Bruce Armstrong [TeamSybase]
> http://www.teamsybase.com
>
> Two new books on developing with PowerBuilder
> http://www.pb9books.com?source=newsgroups
>
> Need code sample? Check out CodeXchange:
> http://www.codexchange.sybase.com
>
> ISUG Enhancement Requests
> http://www.isug.com/cgi-bin/ISUG2/submit_enhancement
>
> Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words. - Francis of
Assisi
> http://www.needhim.org
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <PollachC@SCC-CSC.gc.ca> wrote in message
> news:3f81a63b$1@forums-1-dub...
> >
> > However, my Dell lasts up to 3 days on a single charge. Where as the
> > IPAQ needed a recharge once a day.
> >
> > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f81a4d1@forums-1-dub...
> > > I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss
up
> > > between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design. iPaq has a quick
> > record
> > > button on the side that Dell does not. iPaq has a larger stylus which
I
> > > prefer over the smaller Dell. iPaq's screen protector is awkward and
> gets
> > > fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
> > >
> > > Again....to each his own
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > "Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f818c7a@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Hmm...maybe you are right on cradle. I did not notice it till now
> (I've
> > > had
> > > > it for a couple of months only). That apart, I am pretty happy with
> the
> > > > machine.
> > > >
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f808f6e@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > Rahul
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you misunderstood me regarding the Ipaq in general. I have a
> > model
> > > > > 3950 in front of me right now and it is a good machine. I've used
it
> > > many
> > > > > times for current testing, demonstrations etc but I'd rate it 2nd
to
> > the
> > > > > Dell only because of the cradle. IMHO it is very poorly designed.
> It's
> > > too
> > > > > light and the male/female connectors never line up correctly, so
you
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > keep chocking/twisting it to get them to line up. When you go to
> pull
> > it
> > > > out
> > > > > the cradle lifts with it, forcing you to use two hands. It is very
> > > > annoying
> > > > > compared to the Dell cradle. If I can get annoyed at the cradle
> after
> > > only
> > > > > using it once in awhile, I'm sure my clients will really get
ticked
> > with
> > > > it
> > > > > having to cradle many times per day coming and going to the
field -
> > > hence
> > > > I
> > > > > won't reccommend it as the first choice to them. The Ipaq PDA
itself
> > is
> > > > > great and stands right up there with the Dell, so I'm not knocking
> the
> > > > unit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe your model had a better cradle design, and, I hope they come
> up
> > > with
> > > > > something better for future versions. If they did, I would
certainly
> > not
> > > > > hesitate to deploy Ipaq's. And, it would be nice because if I
wanted
> > > > > something extra on them I can go down to the local outlet and
> purchase
> > > it
> > > > > directly, whereas with Dell, you have to order and wait.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS - My associate prefers the Ipaq over the Dell(maybe he's
changed
> > his
> > > > mind
> > > > > since we last spoke?).....To each his own.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rahul Jain" <rahul.jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3f807ac7$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > > > > Guess, Greg hasn't had good experience with iPAQ, but I
absolutely
> > > love
> > > > my
> > > > > > iPAQ 2215. I have had no problems with cradle either. It also
> comes
> > > with
> > > > > > some cool softwares including NEVO remote control. My PPB apps
run
> > > great
> > > > > on
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rahul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > > > > > Toshiba's(can't
> > > > > > > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels
> of
> > > > > > > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed
was
> > all
> > > > ran
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of
ram.
> We
> > > > > > > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously
> close
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and
2003
> > > OS's
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > > > > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll
get
> > > 2003
> > > > > OS,
> > > > > > > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to
buy
> an
> > > > Ipaq,
> > > > > > > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about
> Toshibas.
> > > > Seems
> > > > > > > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
> > > > > neighborhood
> > > > > > > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem
sufficient
> > for
> > > > our
> > > > > > > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't
be
> an
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production
> and
> > no
> > > > > major
> > > > > > > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the
money
> is
> > > to
> > > > > > > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> > destruction
> > > > > > > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to
go
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the
> price
> > > of
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a
> > > complete
> > > > > > > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get
into
> > > > scanning
> > > > > > > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't
> offer
> > > any
> > > > > > > advice on that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell
has
> > the
> > > > > > > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten
> years
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be the Dell Axim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg Winfield
> > > > > > > President
> > > > > > > Winfield Solutions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a
mobile
> > > > device.
> > > > > > > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I
> > have
> > > > > > > installed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would the ppb list members please list their current
handheld,
> > how
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they
would
> > > > > purchase
> > > > > > > > today?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Jim Egan Posted on 2003-10-07 23:02:20.0Z
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nospamingdstone@res-q.com wrote...
> Bruce, I think the most alarming (if you will) aspect of the hand-held
> market, is how fiercely Palm is starting to compete.
> For the first time in my life, I find myself really rooting for Microsoft.
>

Why do you find it alarming that Palm is starting to compete?
--
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Doug Stone Posted on 2003-10-09 16:28:20.0Z
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Jim:
Hi. Our hand-held apps will be created with ppb.
Each time someone chooses Palm over Pocket PC, our potential target audience
does not grow.
Of course, competition tends to raise the bar and force everyone to do a
better job... still I find my self rooting for goliath.

Doug

"Jim Egan" <eganjp_nospam@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> nospamingdstone@res-q.com wrote...
> > Bruce, I think the most alarming (if you will) aspect of the hand-held
> > market, is how fiercely Palm is starting to compete.
> > For the first time in my life, I find myself really rooting for
Microsoft.
> >
>
> Why do you find it alarming that Palm is starting to compete?
> --
> Jim Egan [TeamSybase]
> Sybase product enhancement requests:
> http://www.isug.com/cgi-bin/ISUG2/submit_enhancement


Rahul Jain Posted on 2003-10-06 20:51:10.0Z
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> I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss up
> between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design.

Design - IMO, 2215 beats axim.

> iPaq has a quick record button on the side that Dell does not.
Not in 2215.

> iPaq has a larger stylus which I prefer over the smaller Dell.
Not in 2215.

> iPaq's screen protector is awkward and gets
> fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.

umm, I haven't seen this. I use my iPAQ as a remote control and touch the
screen all the time.

--
Rahul


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-06 21:04:11.0Z
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Not the screen but the screen protector. Its big and awkward, you have to
flip it around behind the PDA to get it out of the way, then your palm
prints are all over it. I cannot compare this protector to any others as I
have not seen them yet
Somebody told me you can purchase transparent adhesive protectors. Sounds
like that might work but haven't seen them yet either.

Greg

"Rahul Jain" <NOSPAM_Rahul.Jain@cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
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> > I would not argue with you regarding the machine. It really is a toss up
> > between the two. Dell has a nicer erogonomic design.
> Design - IMO, 2215 beats axim.
>
> > iPaq has a quick record button on the side that Dell does not.
> Not in 2215.
>
> > iPaq has a larger stylus which I prefer over the smaller Dell.
> Not in 2215.
>
> > iPaq's screen protector is awkward and gets
> > fingerprints/grease all over it very quickly.
>
> umm, I haven't seen this. I use my iPAQ as a remote control and touch the
> screen all the time.
>
> --
> Rahul
>
>


Thom Lamb <thom.lamb_nospam Posted on 2003-10-06 19:07:05.0Z
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"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in
news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub:

> From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> Toshiba's(can't remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through
> various levels of development, testing and deployment. The only thing
> noticed was all ran the app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at
> least 64M of ram. We intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but
> dangerously close to the edge of the envelope. 64 has been great.
> We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's with no show stopping issues that PPB
> hasn't fixed, or is in the process of fixing, or we've worked around.
> If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003 OS, but in my case if you went
> down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq, chances are you'll end
> up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems they haven't purged
> the old stock quite yet - at least in my neighborhood anyway. CPU
> speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our production
> needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
> major issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money
> is to purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> destruction standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients
> to go with the cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them
> for the price of one Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell
> now offers a complete destruction/loss replacement program. If your
> going to get into scanning then you may not have much choice regarding
> Symbols, I can't offer any advice on that.
>
> Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
>
> In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
> would be the Dell Axim.
>
> My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
>
> Greg Winfield
> President
> Winfield Solutions
>
> "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
>>
>> I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
>> Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> installed?
>>
>> Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
>> much memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
>> purchase today?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>>
>
>
>

Greg Oddly enough your 5 to 1 rational is the same I've been using my
prospective clients! Especially if you can put the database on a memory
card (may be a bit slower). If the device is broken, you can remove the
card pop it in a new device, and be off and running again.

--
Thom Lamb
Making PowerBuilder Better
www.isug.com
The ISUG Enhancements Process


Greg W Posted on 2003-10-06 19:22:59.0Z
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In my case the sale(s) would be a no-go if my clients had to use Symbols.
Very hard to justify. In fact, policy at some of my clients sites is zero
tolerance for PDA's mostly because of staff missplacing and misusing them.
And so, we've had to go through hoops of fire to get these purchases
specially approved. A Symbol price would have blown us out of the water
before even getting started.

We haven't tried loading totally on the memory card (only the db)but that
has been discussed, although I think there is a little more involved than
plugging it in and running.

Greg

"Thom Lamb" <thom.lamb_nospam@nospam_starband.net> wrote in message
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> "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> wrote in
> news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub:
>
> > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> > Toshiba's(can't remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through
> > various levels of development, testing and deployment. The only thing
> > noticed was all ran the app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at
> > least 64M of ram. We intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but
> > dangerously close to the edge of the envelope. 64 has been great.
> > We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's with no show stopping issues that PPB
> > hasn't fixed, or is in the process of fixing, or we've worked around.
> > If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003 OS, but in my case if you went
> > down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq, chances are you'll end
> > up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems they haven't purged
> > the old stock quite yet - at least in my neighborhood anyway. CPU
> > speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our production
> > needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an issue.
> >
> > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
> > major issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money
> > is to purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military
> > destruction standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients
> > to go with the cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them
> > for the price of one Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell
> > now offers a complete destruction/loss replacement program. If your
> > going to get into scanning then you may not have much choice regarding
> > Symbols, I can't offer any advice on that.
> >
> > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> >
> > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
> > would be the Dell Axim.
> >
> > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> >
> > Greg Winfield
> > President
> > Winfield Solutions
> >
> > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> >>
> >> I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> >> Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > installed?
> >>
> >> Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
> >> much memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
> >> purchase today?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Doug
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> Greg Oddly enough your 5 to 1 rational is the same I've been using my
> prospective clients! Especially if you can put the database on a memory
> card (may be a bit slower). If the device is broken, you can remove the
> card pop it in a new device, and be off and running again.
>
> --
> Thom Lamb
> Making PowerBuilder Better
> www.isug.com
> The ISUG Enhancements Process


"Chris Werner" <cw[please_no_spam] Posted on 2003-10-13 15:37:15.0Z
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are there experiences with scanning without
using this expensive symbol devices?

Chris Werner

"Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
Toshiba's(can't
> remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all ran
the
> app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to the
> edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's with
> no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003 OS,
> but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq,
> chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems
> they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my neighborhood
> anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our
> production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no major
> issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with the
> cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of one
> Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into scanning
> then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> advice on that.
>
> Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
>
> In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it would
> be the Dell Axim.
>
> My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
>
> Greg Winfield
> President
> Winfield Solutions
>
> "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> >
> > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> installed?
> >
> > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how much
> > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would purchase
> > today?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
>


<Mohit Chanana> Posted on 2003-10-15 13:51:49.0Z
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Symbol has a product for IPAQ's Called SPS3000 its under so called wearable
scanners category; fairly priced ($300-$350) ; here is the link to this
product
http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_pocket_sps3000_data.html

Also their is a product called SocketScan
http://www.socketcom.com/product/bar_inhand_sys.asp but it costs a fortune
(Approx .$800); but yes options are out there.

We have successfully Implemented the SPS3000 with our iPAQ's.

HTH

-Mohit

"Chris Werner" <cw[please_no_spam]@f-s.de> wrote in message
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> are there experiences with scanning without
> using this expensive symbol devices?
>
> Chris Werner
>
> "Greg W" <sales@winfieldsolutions.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3f806dce$1@forums-1-dub...
> > From our experience we have used Dell Axims, Compaq Ipaq's,
> Toshiba's(can't
> > remember the model#) and a ViewSonic(?) through various levels of
> > development, testing and deployment. The only thing noticed was all ran
> the
> > app and ASA (4m db)well provided there was at least 64M of ram. We
> > intentionally tested @ 32M and it would run, but dangerously close to
the
> > edge of the envelope. 64 has been great. We've ran 2002 and 2003 OS's
with
> > no show stopping issues that PPB hasn't fixed, or is in the process of
> > fixing, or we've worked around. If you buy from Dell you'll get 2003
OS,
> > but in my case if you went down to the local store today to buy an Ipaq,
> > chances are you'll end up with a 2002 OS. Not sure about Toshibas. Seems
> > they haven't purged the old stock quite yet - at least in my
neighborhood
> > anyway. CPU speeds for whatever brand purchased seem sufficient for our
> > production needs and unless your buying used, that shouldn't be an
issue.
> >
> > Currently, all my clients are using the Dell's for production and no
major
> > issues have been reported. Another option if you have the money is to
> > purchase Symbols. Hardened PPC's designed with military destruction
> > standards. Great but expensive. I've convinced my clients to go with the
> > cheaper Dell's because they can go through 5 of them for the price of
one
> > Symbol. Also, don't quote me but I believe Dell now offers a complete
> > destruction/loss replacement program. If your going to get into scanning
> > then you may not have much choice regarding Symbols, I can't offer any
> > advice on that.
> >
> > Also....the Toshiba was the worst for battery duration. Dell has the
> > nicest/sturdiest cradle. The Ipaq cradle sucks.
> >
> > In summary, if I had to live with one type for the next ten years it
would
> > be the Dell Axim.
> >
> > My .02 Canadian cents, HTH
> >
> > Greg Winfield
> > President
> > Winfield Solutions
> >
> > "Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f804519$1@forums-1-dub...
> > >
> > > I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> > > Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
> > installed?
> > >
> > > Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how
much
> > > memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would
purchase
> > > today?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Dean Jones [TeamSybase] Posted on 2003-10-06 18:41:13.0Z
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I think you need to look at how the device is used. For many uses I would
suggest using a device such as a Symbol. Something that can be dropped,
tossed or kicked and keep working. Also you need to look at what is
connected to the device, do you need a scanner? do you need a Wi-Fi? The
dell does not have many options for attaching additional devices.

--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
PowerObjects
http://www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112

"Doug Stone" <nospamingdstone@res-q.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm ready to start experimenting with ppb and asa on a mobile device.
> Which pocket pc should I purchase? How much memory should I have
installed?
>
> Would the ppb list members please list their current handheld, how much
> memory is available to a ppb app, and what handheld they would purchase
> today?
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
>