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Corporate Strategy

3 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2003-11-28 20:04:17.0Z
Carl Kayser Posted on 2003-11-26 13:28:28.0Z
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Things seem to going well as of late with Sybase. A recent agreement with
SAP appears to be VERY beneficial in the small-to-medium business market;
Sybase stock has gone from $18 to $20 within the last two (?) weeks. Sybase
visibility in the Wi-Fi market is going good and ASEIQ may be a market
leader. ASA still dominates the remote market and is going strong. Sybase
also claims that PowerDesigner is the market leader in data modeling. It
seems to be winning a Linux popularity poll - but I'm not sure as to how
significant that is. Anyone know how it is doing in the Mac world vs.
Oracle?

All this leads me to ask ...

What's going to happen with ASE? Note, with the above, that the perception
of many people is that Sybase is going to become a (multi?) niche player and
will be out of the mainstream RDBMS market. Is the goal to remain as is or
to compete against the big three? If the latter, how?

It seems to me that there are more frequent ASE releases than in the past
(which, overall, I think is good). The improvements seem to be oriented
towards the internet and security as well as a grabbag of other stuff. But
I also notice that many ISUG requests, some of which have been made several
times, go nowhere or are developed very slowly: user defined functions
within SQL, ability to kill sessions started by himself, make "truncate
table" and "update statistics" grantable, adding on more functions -
especially statistical ones. Does the ASE staff have too much of a
high-level view when considering new features? Is the ASE staff too short
on resources versus the other products?

Geographically speaking, Sybase appears to be doing better in Asia Pacific
and western Europe than in North America. (I know a certain ISUG
participant who was very disenheartened when Sybase closed his local
Canadian office earlier this year.) I believe that the Asia Pacific
conference had more particpants than the TechWave conference this year. So,
relatively speaking, is Sybase "going downhill" at home?


sybase Posted on 2003-11-28 16:02:25.0Z
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totally agree

I guess there is a rule in Sybase - if a suggested new feature that already
has a work-around on it (ie. UDF in T-sql can be implemented by UDF in
java ) , they will not implement it

any response from Sybase guy ? or they don't really care this forum..

"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
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> Things seem to going well as of late with Sybase. A recent agreement with
> SAP appears to be VERY beneficial in the small-to-medium business market;
> Sybase stock has gone from $18 to $20 within the last two (?) weeks.
Sybase
> visibility in the Wi-Fi market is going good and ASEIQ may be a market
> leader. ASA still dominates the remote market and is going strong.
Sybase
> also claims that PowerDesigner is the market leader in data modeling. It
> seems to be winning a Linux popularity poll - but I'm not sure as to how
> significant that is. Anyone know how it is doing in the Mac world vs.
> Oracle?
>
> All this leads me to ask ...
>
> What's going to happen with ASE? Note, with the above, that the
perception
> of many people is that Sybase is going to become a (multi?) niche player
and
> will be out of the mainstream RDBMS market. Is the goal to remain as is
or
> to compete against the big three? If the latter, how?
>
> It seems to me that there are more frequent ASE releases than in the past
> (which, overall, I think is good). The improvements seem to be oriented
> towards the internet and security as well as a grabbag of other stuff.
But
> I also notice that many ISUG requests, some of which have been made
several
> times, go nowhere or are developed very slowly: user defined functions
> within SQL, ability to kill sessions started by himself, make "truncate
> table" and "update statistics" grantable, adding on more functions -
> especially statistical ones. Does the ASE staff have too much of a
> high-level view when considering new features? Is the ASE staff too short
> on resources versus the other products?
>
> Geographically speaking, Sybase appears to be doing better in Asia Pacific
> and western Europe than in North America. (I know a certain ISUG
> participant who was very disenheartened when Sybase closed his local
> Canadian office earlier this year.) I believe that the Asia Pacific
> conference had more particpants than the TechWave conference this year.
So,
> relatively speaking, is Sybase "going downhill" at home?
>
>


Guy Bourdon Posted on 2003-11-28 20:04:17.0Z
From: Guy Bourdon <solase@sympatico.ca>
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There is no doubt that ASE is a niche player in North America's RDBMS
market. Sybase would have to spend many many millions of dollars in
advertising and marketing to get an increase of a few points in market
share. It's not worth it if you have to bankrupt your company in the
process. Sybase's focus is the Asian and European market where they are
doing well. In the long run those markets each have the potential of
being larger than North America. ASE will survive and strive. In the
meantime I'm doing my part in my neck of the wood to promote ASE as the
best RDBMS on the market bar none.

sybase wrote:
> totally agree
>
> I guess there is a rule in Sybase - if a suggested new feature that already
> has a work-around on it (ie. UDF in T-sql can be implemented by UDF in
> java ) , they will not implement it
>
> any response from Sybase guy ? or they don't really care this forum..
>
> "Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
> news:3fc4aa7c@forums-1-dub...
>
>>Things seem to going well as of late with Sybase. A recent agreement with
>>SAP appears to be VERY beneficial in the small-to-medium business market;
>>Sybase stock has gone from $18 to $20 within the last two (?) weeks.
>
> Sybase
>
>>visibility in the Wi-Fi market is going good and ASEIQ may be a market
>>leader. ASA still dominates the remote market and is going strong.
>
> Sybase
>
>>also claims that PowerDesigner is the market leader in data modeling. It
>>seems to be winning a Linux popularity poll - but I'm not sure as to how
>>significant that is. Anyone know how it is doing in the Mac world vs.
>>Oracle?
>>
>>All this leads me to ask ...
>>
>>What's going to happen with ASE? Note, with the above, that the
>
> perception
>
>>of many people is that Sybase is going to become a (multi?) niche player
>
> and
>
>>will be out of the mainstream RDBMS market. Is the goal to remain as is
>
> or
>
>>to compete against the big three? If the latter, how?
>>
>>It seems to me that there are more frequent ASE releases than in the past
>>(which, overall, I think is good). The improvements seem to be oriented
>>towards the internet and security as well as a grabbag of other stuff.
>
> But
>
>>I also notice that many ISUG requests, some of which have been made
>
> several
>
>>times, go nowhere or are developed very slowly: user defined functions
>>within SQL, ability to kill sessions started by himself, make "truncate
>>table" and "update statistics" grantable, adding on more functions -
>>especially statistical ones. Does the ASE staff have too much of a
>>high-level view when considering new features? Is the ASE staff too short
>>on resources versus the other products?
>>
>>Geographically speaking, Sybase appears to be doing better in Asia Pacific
>>and western Europe than in North America. (I know a certain ISUG
>>participant who was very disenheartened when Sybase closed his local
>>Canadian office earlier this year.) I believe that the Asia Pacific
>>conference had more particpants than the TechWave conference this year.
>
> So,
>
>>relatively speaking, is Sybase "going downhill" at home?
>>
>>
>
>
>