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Anyone gone production ?

7 posts in Appeon (partner product) Last posting was on 2004-03-08 04:09:53.0Z
PBS Posted on 2003-12-30 08:34:24.0Z
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Hi All,
We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps to the
Web.
The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on this
path, management is asking a few questions...
We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications out
there ?
Any benchmarks about performance ?
How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML / Jaguar
?

Any additional info would be appreciated.

TIA

PBS


Dennis Stackley Posted on 2004-01-03 03:35:23.0Z
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Last year and during Appeon 2.6 beta, I was tasked with making the required
changes to an existing Production client-server app so that it would run
within the web browser. It consisted of 53 windows, 60 datawindows, 64 user
objects, and 6 menus. The app had originally been built upon the PFC but at
the time it was migrated, an Appeon-compliant PFC did not exist.
Nonetheless, the migration was a success.

Unfortunately, the client had financial difficulties so the migrated app did
not make it into Production. We are still hopefull that the client will
eventually purchase Appeon and the app will make it into Production.

HTH
ds

"PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> Hi All,
> We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps to
the
> Web.
> The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on this
> path, management is asking a few questions...
> We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications out
> there ?
> Any benchmarks about performance ?
> How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
Jaguar
> ?
>
> Any additional info would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> PBS
>
>
>


PBS Posted on 2004-01-04 09:34:37.0Z
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thanks for the info.
well, that's "almost production" .... anybody got something better ?
we're trying to find something from the real world, to find out,
asically - "does it fly ? "

PBS

"Dennis Stackley" <dennis.stackley@ps.net> wrote in message
news:3ff63a7c$1@forums-2-dub...
> Last year and during Appeon 2.6 beta, I was tasked with making the
required
> changes to an existing Production client-server app so that it would run
> within the web browser. It consisted of 53 windows, 60 datawindows, 64
user
> objects, and 6 menus. The app had originally been built upon the PFC but
at
> the time it was migrated, an Appeon-compliant PFC did not exist.
> Nonetheless, the migration was a success.
>
> Unfortunately, the client had financial difficulties so the migrated app
did
> not make it into Production. We are still hopefull that the client will
> eventually purchase Appeon and the app will make it into Production.
>
> HTH
> ds
>
>
> "PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> > Hi All,
> > We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps to
> the
> > Web.
> > The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on this
> > path, management is asking a few questions...
> > We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications out
> > there ?
> > Any benchmarks about performance ?
> > How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
> Jaguar
> > ?
> >
> > Any additional info would be appreciated.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > PBS
> >
> >
> >
>
>


egattu Posted on 2004-03-08 01:21:17.0Z
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How much does Appeon cost?

"PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:3ff7de2d$1@forums-1-dub...
> thanks for the info.
> well, that's "almost production" .... anybody got something better ?
> we're trying to find something from the real world, to find out,
> asically - "does it fly ? "
>
> PBS
>
> "Dennis Stackley" <dennis.stackley@ps.net> wrote in message
> news:3ff63a7c$1@forums-2-dub...
> > Last year and during Appeon 2.6 beta, I was tasked with making the
> required
> > changes to an existing Production client-server app so that it would run
> > within the web browser. It consisted of 53 windows, 60 datawindows, 64
> user
> > objects, and 6 menus. The app had originally been built upon the PFC but
> at
> > the time it was migrated, an Appeon-compliant PFC did not exist.
> > Nonetheless, the migration was a success.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the client had financial difficulties so the migrated app
> did
> > not make it into Production. We are still hopefull that the client will
> > eventually purchase Appeon and the app will make it into Production.
> >
> > HTH
> > ds
> >
> >
> > "PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> > > Hi All,
> > > We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps
to
> > the
> > > Web.
> > > The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on
this
> > > path, management is asking a few questions...
> > > We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications
out
> > > there ?
> > > Any benchmarks about performance ?
> > > How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
> > Jaguar
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Any additional info would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > PBS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Julie Jiang Posted on 2004-03-08 04:09:53.0Z
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As with most all Web Application Server Pricing and Licensing models, Appeon
is licensed per Appeon Server CPU for both Development & Test Servers and
for Production Servers. Separately, the Appeon Development License includes
Appeon Developer, Appeon Server and Appeon Enterprise Manager (AEM) for
stand-alone Developer PCs. If you or others would like to explore more
details of Appeon licensing, please contact Rex Geissler, Sybase Appeon
Product Architect, at
Rex.Geissler@sybase.com.

Regards,
Julie Jiang
Appeon Corporation

"egattu" <egattu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:404bca8d$1@forums-1-dub...
> How much does Appeon cost?
>
>
>
> "PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:3ff7de2d$1@forums-1-dub...
> > thanks for the info.
> > well, that's "almost production" .... anybody got something better ?
> > we're trying to find something from the real world, to find out,
> > asically - "does it fly ? "
> >
> > PBS
> >
> > "Dennis Stackley" <dennis.stackley@ps.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ff63a7c$1@forums-2-dub...
> > > Last year and during Appeon 2.6 beta, I was tasked with making the
> > required
> > > changes to an existing Production client-server app so that it would
run
> > > within the web browser. It consisted of 53 windows, 60 datawindows, 64
> > user
> > > objects, and 6 menus. The app had originally been built upon the PFC
but
> > at
> > > the time it was migrated, an Appeon-compliant PFC did not exist.
> > > Nonetheless, the migration was a success.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the client had financial difficulties so the migrated
app
> > did
> > > not make it into Production. We are still hopefull that the client
will
> > > eventually purchase Appeon and the app will make it into Production.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > ds
> > >
> > >
> > > "PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps
> to
> > > the
> > > > Web.
> > > > The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on
> this
> > > > path, management is asking a few questions...
> > > > We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications
> out
> > > > there ?
> > > > Any benchmarks about performance ?
> > > > How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
> > > Jaguar
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Any additional info would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > PBS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Rex Geissler Posted on 2003-12-31 17:07:36.0Z
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In regard to performance, Appeon web applications can usually support around
60 to 80 concurrent users per CPU. These numbers can be affected somewhat if
the developers place lots of the business logic onto components in the
Appeon Server in PowerBuilder, Java/EJB, C/C++,Web Services, etc. It should
be noted that Appeon web applications tend to place less pressure on the
Appeon server itself than traditional server-only based architectures. And
the window-related objects are compressed around 50%. Also, the
window-related objects, HTML, XML, and JavaScript are cached on the browser
rather than constantly being processed on the server and repeatedly
downloaded. And if an update is made by the developers to the Appeon server,
only that compressed window-related object is downloaded again. Also, for IE
6.0+, DataWindow result sets are compressed 90%, which results in much less
pressure on the network itself because there is much less traffic. Also, the
rich GUI of the Appeon web apps compared to the relative simplicity of most
traditional HTML-based web apps (see http://www.try.sybase.com to view the
obvious let alone subtle differences) really makes a comparison somewhat
like apples and oranges. Because of these architectural and GUI differences,
it is difficult to truly compare Appeon web apps to JSP/Jaguar. The
performance is normally affected by the complexity of each individual window
and the complexity of the framework. Other performance benchmarks and
performance recommendations are listed in the Appeon Performance Tuning
Guide located at http://sybooks.sybase.com/onlinebooks/group-apn/apng0270e

Regards, Rex

"PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> Hi All,
> We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps to
the
> Web.
> The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on this
> path, management is asking a few questions...
> We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications out
> there ?
> Any benchmarks about performance ?
> How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
Jaguar
> ?
>
> Any additional info would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> PBS
>
>
>


PBS Posted on 2004-01-01 13:52:03.0Z
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Thanks for the info, Rex. All sounds very promising.

You or anyone else know of any production apps yet ? I think that's a
critical point that we want to know ,
before making any major decisons.


PBS

"Rex Geissler" <Rex.Geissler@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:3ff30450$1@forums-2-dub...
> In regard to performance, Appeon web applications can usually support
around
> 60 to 80 concurrent users per CPU. These numbers can be affected somewhat
if
> the developers place lots of the business logic onto components in the
> Appeon Server in PowerBuilder, Java/EJB, C/C++,Web Services, etc. It
should
> be noted that Appeon web applications tend to place less pressure on the
> Appeon server itself than traditional server-only based architectures. And
> the window-related objects are compressed around 50%. Also, the
> window-related objects, HTML, XML, and JavaScript are cached on the
browser
> rather than constantly being processed on the server and repeatedly
> downloaded. And if an update is made by the developers to the Appeon
server,
> only that compressed window-related object is downloaded again. Also, for
IE
> 6.0+, DataWindow result sets are compressed 90%, which results in much
less
> pressure on the network itself because there is much less traffic. Also,
the
> rich GUI of the Appeon web apps compared to the relative simplicity of
most
> traditional HTML-based web apps (see http://www.try.sybase.com to view the
> obvious let alone subtle differences) really makes a comparison somewhat
> like apples and oranges. Because of these architectural and GUI
differences,
> it is difficult to truly compare Appeon web apps to JSP/Jaguar. The
> performance is normally affected by the complexity of each individual
window
> and the complexity of the framework. Other performance benchmarks and
> performance recommendations are listed in the Appeon Performance Tuning
> Guide located at http://sybooks.sybase.com/onlinebooks/group-apn/apng0270e
>
> Regards, Rex
>
>
>
> "PBS" <nospam@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:3ff13a83@forums-2-dub...
> > Hi All,
> > We're looking into Appeon as a possibility of leveraging our PB apps to
> the
> > Web.
> > The technology is really quite impressive, but before we embark on this
> > path, management is asking a few questions...
> > We're interested in knowing if there are any production applications out
> > there ?
> > Any benchmarks about performance ?
> > How do Appeon deployed apps perform compared to the standard HTML /
> Jaguar
> > ?
> >
> > Any additional info would be appreciated.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > PBS
> >
> >
> >
>
>