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Limit / Limitations

4 posts in Appeon (partner product) Last posting was on 2004-05-27 11:55:53.0Z
Vikas J Posted on 2004-05-14 03:15:36.0Z
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Dear All  .
Currently using PB8.0.4 with Appeon 2.7.1
I read in the help file about the PBL 's source code size limits should not exceed 50 MB.
When this limit can be increased.
I am have the report from REX , showing the comparision of 2.7 to 2.8 with PB9.x , where he mentions about the opening time a normal window taking 6 minitues to seconds.
Yes, i cannot call that it is slow
But , Sometimes while running the PFC appeon demo , i am noticed that while clicking on the DW , the popup menu does not get displayed at the mouse pointer.
       , Sometimes the message box appearing shows OK/CANCEL buttons right aligned and after few seconds it displayed the buttons in the center.
 
Going to the TASKMANGER.EXE , it shows
1 ) java.exe taking 60 MB
2  )cmd     3 instances opened taking 3 MB each ( one for Server running )
etc etc.. etc . .
 
I have gone thr. ACF.CNT help file for PFC's so many limitations , what are the next plans to overcome them .
It resembles lots of efforts have to put on the C/S source code before migrating it to the WEB.
 
My ThinkPad IBM is centrino and 512 MB RAM and 30 GB .
 
Kindly update me for the same.
Regards
Vikas J


Julie Jiang Posted on 2004-05-17 11:14:58.0Z
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Hi Vikas,
 
The PBL's source code size limit is set to 50MB in Appeon 2.7, because that is the maximum size that Appeon certified during Appeon 2.7 testing.  With the next Appeon version (Appeon 2.8), the size limit can be increased to 100MB.  It is worth mentioning that Appeon 2.8 performance is at least 200% faster than Appeon 2.7.  In fact, Appeon have had several experiences in deploying applications larger than 50MB with Appeon 2.7. If you have an application larger than 50MB, our recommendation is, you first deploy and debug the application with Appeon 2.7, and then run the application with Appeon 2.8 for better performance.
 
As for "the popup menu does not display", Appeon DataWindow menu may not show when user right clicks a DataWindow in the application. This is because there is script in the RButtonDown event of the DataWindow or its ancestor DataWindow. This is why DataWindow menu does not display for any PFC DataWindows, where there is DataWindow ancestor code in the RButtonDown and RButtonUp event.
 
It is true that the message box first appears right aligned with the PFC appeon demo.  It happens when the computer CPU usage is high.  Because the performance is slowed down, the intermediate state is displayed.
 
You said that in the TaskManager.exe, java.exe and cmd.exe takes 60+ MB memory.  According to Appeon's test, these two .exe are not used for Appeon.  Please do a simple test to verify: you can stop the EXEs and then run Appeon applications again.  The application can still run, and the several EXEs are no longer started.  The EXE that is started by Appeon is jagsrv.exe. 
 
There are indeed many limitations with PFC application.  However, if you study the limitations carefully, you will find that the limitations are about less-commonly used features.  The work involved in deploying a PFC application is far less than you expected.  The standard way to do it is: replace the PFC framework with ACF framework --> Perform a full build on the application, clear all the compiling errors --> The application is ready to be deployed with Appeon 2.7.  Actually, PFC application deployment requires less work than non-PFC application deployment of the same size.  The debugging work is done in the PowerBuilder IDE.
 
Regards,
Julie
 
"Vikas J" <vanjacobson@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:40a439d8@forums-1-dub...
Dear All  .
Currently using PB8.0.4 with Appeon 2.7.1
I read in the help file about the PBL 's source code size limits should not exceed 50 MB.
When this limit can be increased.
I am have the report from REX , showing the comparision of 2.7 to 2.8 with PB9.x , where he mentions about the opening time a normal window taking 6 minitues to seconds.
Yes, i cannot call that it is slow
But , Sometimes while running the PFC appeon demo , i am noticed that while clicking on the DW , the popup menu does not get displayed at the mouse pointer.
       , Sometimes the message box appearing shows OK/CANCEL buttons right aligned and after few seconds it displayed the buttons in the center.
 
Going to the TASKMANGER.EXE , it shows
1 ) java.exe taking 60 MB
2  )cmd     3 instances opened taking 3 MB each ( one for Server running )
etc etc.. etc . .
 
I have gone thr. ACF.CNT help file for PFC's so many limitations , what are the next plans to overcome them .
It resembles lots of efforts have to put on the C/S source code before migrating it to the WEB.
 
My ThinkPad IBM is centrino and 512 MB RAM and 30 GB .
 
Kindly update me for the same.
Regards
Vikas J


Vikas J Posted on 2004-05-17 23:37:33.0Z
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Hi Julie ,
Thanks for the input, specially the TASKMANGER.EXE  one.
I have gone through the ACF help file. It seems like Appeon is having his own version of PFC's PBL libraries.
It is true , then it will be good for us to first make a full build in Client Server PFC based application and then after wards deploying it onto web . And Ofcourse , PFC's libraries included in the C/S build will be the PFC's PBL which appeon has given .
 
 
Thanks and Best Regards
Vikas J
 
"Julie Jiang" <julie.jiang@appeon.net> wrote in message news:40a89eb2@forums-1-dub...
Hi Vikas,
 
The PBL's source code size limit is set to 50MB in Appeon 2.7, because that is the maximum size that Appeon certified during Appeon 2.7 testing.  With the next Appeon version (Appeon 2.8), the size limit can be increased to 100MB.  It is worth mentioning that Appeon 2.8 performance is at least 200% faster than Appeon 2.7.  In fact, Appeon have had several experiences in deploying applications larger than 50MB with Appeon 2.7. If you have an application larger than 50MB, our recommendation is, you first deploy and debug the application with Appeon 2.7, and then run the application with Appeon 2.8 for better performance.
 
As for "the popup menu does not display", Appeon DataWindow menu may not show when user right clicks a DataWindow in the application. This is because there is script in the RButtonDown event of the DataWindow or its ancestor DataWindow. This is why DataWindow menu does not display for any PFC DataWindows, where there is DataWindow ancestor code in the RButtonDown and RButtonUp event.
 
It is true that the message box first appears right aligned with the PFC appeon demo.  It happens when the computer CPU usage is high.  Because the performance is slowed down, the intermediate state is displayed.
 
You said that in the TaskManager.exe, java.exe and cmd.exe takes 60+ MB memory.  According to Appeon's test, these two .exe are not used for Appeon.  Please do a simple test to verify: you can stop the EXEs and then run Appeon applications again.  The application can still run, and the several EXEs are no longer started.  The EXE that is started by Appeon is jagsrv.exe. 
 
There are indeed many limitations with PFC application.  However, if you study the limitations carefully, you will find that the limitations are about less-commonly used features.  The work involved in deploying a PFC application is far less than you expected.  The standard way to do it is: replace the PFC framework with ACF framework --> Perform a full build on the application, clear all the compiling errors --> The application is ready to be deployed with Appeon 2.7.  Actually, PFC application deployment requires less work than non-PFC application deployment of the same size.  The debugging work is done in the PowerBuilder IDE.
 
Regards,
Julie
 
"Vikas J" <vanjacobson@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:40a439d8@forums-1-dub...
Dear All  .
Currently using PB8.0.4 with Appeon 2.7.1
I read in the help file about the PBL 's source code size limits should not exceed 50 MB.
When this limit can be increased.
I am have the report from REX , showing the comparision of 2.7 to 2.8 with PB9.x , where he mentions about the opening time a normal window taking 6 minitues to seconds.
Yes, i cannot call that it is slow
But , Sometimes while running the PFC appeon demo , i am noticed that while clicking on the DW , the popup menu does not get displayed at the mouse pointer.
       , Sometimes the message box appearing shows OK/CANCEL buttons right aligned and after few seconds it displayed the buttons in the center.
 
Going to the TASKMANGER.EXE , it shows
1 ) java.exe taking 60 MB
2  )cmd     3 instances opened taking 3 MB each ( one for Server running )
etc etc.. etc . .
 
I have gone thr. ACF.CNT help file for PFC's so many limitations , what are the next plans to overcome them .
It resembles lots of efforts have to put on the C/S source code before migrating it to the WEB.
 
My ThinkPad IBM is centrino and 512 MB RAM and 30 GB .
 
Kindly update me for the same.
Regards
Vikas J


Rex Geissler Posted on 2004-05-27 11:55:53.0Z
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Dear Vikas,
 
Hope you are well. Just one correction. The comparison mentioned between 2.7 and 2.8 was from 6 seconds to 1 second opening a window and the window had 5 DataWindow Controls with several Master/Detail Relationships, a Data Driven Treeview, and 34 total Window Controls.
 
Regards, Rex
 
"Vikas J" <vanjacobson@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:40a439d8@forums-1-dub...
Dear All  .
Currently using PB8.0.4 with Appeon 2.7.1
I read in the help file about the PBL 's source code size limits should not exceed 50 MB.
When this limit can be increased.
I am have the report from REX , showing the comparision of 2.7 to 2.8 with PB9.x , where he mentions about the opening time a normal window taking 6 minitues to seconds.
Yes, i cannot call that it is slow
But , Sometimes while running the PFC appeon demo , i am noticed that while clicking on the DW , the popup menu does not get displayed at the mouse pointer.
       , Sometimes the message box appearing shows OK/CANCEL buttons right aligned and after few seconds it displayed the buttons in the center.
 
Going to the TASKMANGER.EXE , it shows
1 ) java.exe taking 60 MB
2  )cmd     3 instances opened taking 3 MB each ( one for Server running )
etc etc.. etc . .
 
I have gone thr. ACF.CNT help file for PFC's so many limitations , what are the next plans to overcome them .
It resembles lots of efforts have to put on the C/S source code before migrating it to the WEB.
 
My ThinkPad IBM is centrino and 512 MB RAM and 30 GB .
 
Kindly update me for the same.
Regards
Vikas J