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Does it produce pure Java, or does it lock you in like BEA Weblogic?

6 posts in Appeon (partner product) Last posting was on 2004-07-07 19:44:18.0Z
Bob Aboey Posted on 2004-06-04 14:13:56.0Z
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Does Appeon produce pure Java from my applicaition that I
can deploy anywhere, or does it require it's own server (or
server component) that "locks me into" Appeon if I wish to
continue using my application on the web?

Also, it it true thin client (no downloads no plugins)?

Thanks
Bob


JustBrowsing Posted on 2004-06-05 16:43:27.0Z
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I'm not an Appeon expert, but I do know that it does not
produce Java (pure or otherwise) and that it does require
its own server. Clients must use MSIE. I'm pretty sure
there is a one-time download of a whole bunch of javascript
code.

Definately *not* a solution for applications seeking a
broad, public audience, but might be a good solution for an
intranet kind of app.

> Does Appeon produce pure Java from my applicaition that I
> can deploy anywhere, or does it require it's own server
> (or server component) that "locks me into" Appeon if I
> wish to continue using my application on the web?
>
> Also, it it true thin client (no downloads no plugins)?
>
> Thanks
> Bob


Armeen Mazda Posted on 2004-06-07 01:58:10.0Z
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Bob,

Appeon produces an n-tier Web application with HTML/JS front-end running
against a J2EE-based middle-tier that connects to your back-end database
with JDBC. Appeon Web applications can integrate with other J2EE
applications through CORBA IIOP or Web Services. However, Appeon does not
translate your PowerBuilder business to Java. Rather, it deploys the
PowerBuilder business logic to the middle-tier as PB NVOs, which provides
the most support for PowerBuilder non-visual features. Since PowerBuilder
is not currently supported on other application servers, you will need to
deploy to the J2EE-compliant Appeon Server that is capable of running PB
NVOs.

The Appeon HTML front-end has been designed for deployment to a broad public
audience. Appeon supports Microsoft Internet Explorer, which has more than
90% of the market. The front-end is non-invasive and highly-secure
HTML/JavaScript. There are no Java Applets, ActiveX, Flash, or
browser-plugins to download. The browser communicates with the server over
standard port 80 using HTTP and supports SSL. As such, it is compatible
with corporate firewalls and functions within the browser security sandbox.
Appeon Web applications utilize a 1.2MB JavaScript library to create the
unparalleled rich PowerBuilder GUI . This JavaScript library is static and
can be cached at the client-side such that it is never downloaded again.
Unlike JSP applications where pages must be downloaded over and over again
due to its dynamic nature, Appeon Web applications HTML/JS can be cached
indefinitely. The only thing that is downloaded is the result-set in XML,
GIF, PDF, XLS, or TXT formats.

If you have any other questions please let me know.

Regards,
Armeen Mazda
Appeon Corporation

<Bob Aboey> wrote in message news:40c083eb.45a2.1681692777@sybase.com...
> Does Appeon produce pure Java from my applicaition that I
> can deploy anywhere, or does it require it's own server (or
> server component) that "locks me into" Appeon if I wish to
> continue using my application on the web?
>
> Also, it it true thin client (no downloads no plugins)?
>
> Thanks
> Bob


Rex Geissler Posted on 2004-06-07 03:47:33.0Z
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Also, I would like to note that I have talked to several hundred different
customers with business applications about this technology and only one
customer has insisted that their users do not have easy access to a PC with
Internet Explorer. As well, my personal Internet-based websites monthly
receive 96% of the hits from Internet Explorer web browsers, which surprised
me that even the public (not just businesses with standards) uses Internet
Explorer so much.

Regards, Rex

"Armeen Mazda" <armeen.mazda@appeon.net> wrote in message
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> Bob,
>
> Appeon produces an n-tier Web application with HTML/JS front-end running
> against a J2EE-based middle-tier that connects to your back-end database
> with JDBC. Appeon Web applications can integrate with other J2EE
> applications through CORBA IIOP or Web Services. However, Appeon does not
> translate your PowerBuilder business to Java. Rather, it deploys the
> PowerBuilder business logic to the middle-tier as PB NVOs, which provides
> the most support for PowerBuilder non-visual features. Since PowerBuilder
> is not currently supported on other application servers, you will need to
> deploy to the J2EE-compliant Appeon Server that is capable of running PB
> NVOs.
>
> The Appeon HTML front-end has been designed for deployment to a broad
public
> audience. Appeon supports Microsoft Internet Explorer, which has more
than
> 90% of the market. The front-end is non-invasive and highly-secure
> HTML/JavaScript. There are no Java Applets, ActiveX, Flash, or
> browser-plugins to download. The browser communicates with the server
over
> standard port 80 using HTTP and supports SSL. As such, it is compatible
> with corporate firewalls and functions within the browser security
sandbox.
> Appeon Web applications utilize a 1.2MB JavaScript library to create the
> unparalleled rich PowerBuilder GUI . This JavaScript library is static
and
> can be cached at the client-side such that it is never downloaded again.
> Unlike JSP applications where pages must be downloaded over and over again
> due to its dynamic nature, Appeon Web applications HTML/JS can be cached
> indefinitely. The only thing that is downloaded is the result-set in XML,
> GIF, PDF, XLS, or TXT formats.
>
> If you have any other questions please let me know.
>
> Regards,
> Armeen Mazda
> Appeon Corporation
>
> <Bob Aboey> wrote in message news:40c083eb.45a2.1681692777@sybase.com...
> > Does Appeon produce pure Java from my applicaition that I
> > can deploy anywhere, or does it require it's own server (or
> > server component) that "locks me into" Appeon if I wish to
> > continue using my application on the web?
> >
> > Also, it it true thin client (no downloads no plugins)?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bob
>
>


Jonathan Baker [Sybase] Posted on 2004-07-07 19:44:18.0Z
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Mark:

That's a good point. And we know that other browsers are continuously in
development, like Opera and Mozilla.

The primary focus of Appeon is to move a client/server application to the web
with a minimal amount of work. In order to do this, we need to rely on a number
of features that are imbedded in MSIE. In order to port to other browsers, we
need to perform additional work, which would raise the price of the tool. It's
a very delicate balance, one that we are continuously evaluating. At this
point, Appeon is focusing on features and speed, and other (and honestly, less
used, we picked the browser with the majority of share first) browsers are
further down the list.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that the tool is targeted at internal
applications, not external web sites. External sites have different
requirements. Internal sites, however, can require a user to run a specific
browser (that happens inside Sybase all the time).

I hope this helps clear up any confusion. Feel free to post if you have any
other questions.



Jonathan

<Mark Maslow> wrote in message news:40eafd39.3783.1681692777@sybase.com...
> Just for another perspective - stats for our website show
> that out of just over 10 million hits this year, 24% were
> from browsers other than MSIE.
>
> For better or worse, there are still plenty of folks using
> other browsers.
>
> Mark Maslow
>
> > Also, I would like to note that I have talked to several
> > hundred different customers with business applications
> > about this technology and only one customer has insisted
> > that their users do not have easy access to a PC with
> > Internet Explorer. As well, my personal Internet-based
> > websites monthly receive 96% of the hits from Internet
> > Explorer web browsers, which surprised me that even the
> > public (not just businesses with standards) uses Internet
> > Explorer so much.
> >
> > Regards, Rex
> >
> >
> > "Armeen Mazda" <armeen.mazda@appeon.net> wrote in message
> > news:40c3cc03@forums-2-dub...
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Appeon produces an n-tier Web application with HTML/JS
> > > front-end running against a J2EE-based middle-tier that
> > > connects to your back-end database with JDBC. Appeon
> > > Web applications can integrate with other J2EE
> > applications through CORBA IIOP or Web Services. However,
> > > Appeon does not translate your PowerBuilder business to
> > > Java. Rather, it deploys the PowerBuilder business
> > > logic to the middle-tier as PB NVOs, which provides the
> > most support for PowerBuilder non-visual features. Since
> > > PowerBuilder is not currently supported on other
> > > application servers, you will need to deploy to the
> > > J2EE-compliant Appeon Server that is capable of running
> > PB NVOs. >
> > > The Appeon HTML front-end has been designed for
> > deployment to a broad public
> > > audience. Appeon supports Microsoft Internet Explorer,
> > which has more than
> > > 90% of the market. The front-end is non-invasive and
> > > highly-secure HTML/JavaScript. There are no Java
> > > Applets, ActiveX, Flash, or browser-plugins to download.
> > The browser communicates with the server over
> > > standard port 80 using HTTP and supports SSL. As such,
> > > it is compatible with corporate firewalls and functions
> > within the browser security sandbox.
> > > Appeon Web applications utilize a 1.2MB JavaScript
> > > library to create the unparalleled rich PowerBuilder GUI
> > This JavaScript library is static and
> > > can be cached at the client-side such that it is never
> > > downloaded again. Unlike JSP applications where pages
> > > must be downloaded over and over again due to its
> > dynamic nature, Appeon Web applications HTML/JS can be
> > > cached indefinitely. The only thing that is downloaded
> > > is the result-set in XML, GIF, PDF, XLS, or TXT formats.
> > >
> > > If you have any other questions please let me know.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Armeen Mazda
> > > Appeon Corporation
> > >
> > > <Bob Aboey> wrote in message
> > > > news:40c083eb.45a2.1681692777@sybase.com... Does
> > > > Appeon produce pure Java from my applicaition that I
> > can deploy anywhere, or does it require it's own server
> > > > (or server component) that "locks me into" Appeon if I
> > > > wish to continue using my application on the web?
> > > >
> > > > Also, it it true thin client (no downloads no
> > > plugins)? >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> >
> >