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10 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2004-09-24 01:12:28.0Z
Carl Kayser Posted on 2004-09-15 16:33:14.0Z
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The following was posted at the sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
forum. Mike Paola answered some questions about the elimination of SSRemote
(and possible replacement with MobiLink). Can I get some feedback here
concerning EOL issues with ASE?

========================================================================

Hi Carl - I don't know the EOL plans for ASE pre-15x. You should probably
post to the ASE newsgroups to see if you can get some feedback there. As
for direction to move, we try to always make the migration path as smooth as
possible - a talk was given at TechWave on how to move from your SSREMOTE
installation to MobiLink. A whitepaper will also follow shortly on that
topic. Once you're able to view that information, and you take into account
your business requirements, you should be able to judge best what will be
most appropriate for your company.

Mike
====

"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:4146e274$1@forums-1-dub...
> Thank you for the answer, Mike. We are on Solaris 2.8 so not only would
we
> have to convert from SQL-Remote to MobiLink (or another product) but we
will
> have to invest in upgrading to Solaris 10 (no matter what). Which means
> that we have to upgrade from ASE 12.5.0.3 to ASE 12.5.2 or 12.5.3 since
> there are no plans for supporting versions earlier than 12.5.2 on Solaris
> 10. What is the anticpated EOL's for these newer ASE versions that are
> pre-15.x? (Can we do both an ASE upgrade and a replication conversion
> before they are EOL? Is there a better strategic direction for us?) I
> imagine that the same issue exists on other OS platforms.
>
> And, of course, we have to upgrade from XP to .net, etc. It feels like we
> are doing much less application development and much more "keeping up with
> the latest vendor releases". And they take a lot of resources and time -
> testing in particular.
>
> "Mike Paola" <mpaola@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:4145e298@forums-1-dub...
> > Hi Reggie - sorry for the late response. The current plan is that the
> > end-of-life notification for ssremote will be announced within the next
> > month. Unless that plan changes, this would mean no ssremote support
for
> > ASE 15.x (ssremote actually relies on a log scanning interface that has
> been
> > deprecated in ASE 15.x). It would also mean ssremote is not part of the
> > next major release, code-named Jasper. Since the introduction of SQL
> Remote
> > ASE, iAnywhere has subsequently developed a much more flexible,
powerful,
> > and easy-to-use technology called MobiLink that provides bi-directional
> > synchronization between ASA/UltraLite clients and various back-end
> databases
> > including ASE.
> >
> > Mike Paola
> > Sr. Group Product Manager
> >
> > "Reggie Thomas" <thomas_r@bls.gov> wrote in message
> > news:4137431b@forums-1-dub...
> > > I currently have a three tier ASE/ASA sqlremote/dbremote setup.
> > > Will SQL remote still work with ASE 15.x?
> > > Will there be an installation option to install SQL remote on the ASA
> 10.x
> > > CD?
> > >
> > > What is the future of SQL Remote?
> > >


Naveen Puttagunta Posted on 2004-09-15 23:53:24.0Z
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Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases on
top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade (no
upgrade of databases/data required), but like a patch installation. EOL for
ASE 12.5 codeline (12.5.x) is at least 3 yrs away (but hasnt been nailed
down yet -- it will not be before 2007).

hth,

--
Naveen.

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"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:41486eca$1@forums-1-dub...

The following was posted at the sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
forum. Mike Paola answered some questions about the elimination of SSRemote
(and possible replacement with MobiLink). Can I get some feedback here
concerning EOL issues with ASE?

========================================================================

Hi Carl - I don't know the EOL plans for ASE pre-15x. You should probably
post to the ASE newsgroups to see if you can get some feedback there. As
for direction to move, we try to always make the migration path as smooth as
possible - a talk was given at TechWave on how to move from your SSREMOTE
installation to MobiLink. A whitepaper will also follow shortly on that
topic. Once you're able to view that information, and you take into account
your business requirements, you should be able to judge best what will be
most appropriate for your company.

Mike
====

"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:4146e274$1@forums-1-dub...
> Thank you for the answer, Mike. We are on Solaris 2.8 so not only would
we
> have to convert from SQL-Remote to MobiLink (or another product) but we
will
> have to invest in upgrading to Solaris 10 (no matter what). Which means
> that we have to upgrade from ASE 12.5.0.3 to ASE 12.5.2 or 12.5.3 since
> there are no plans for supporting versions earlier than 12.5.2 on Solaris
> 10. What is the anticpated EOL's for these newer ASE versions that are
> pre-15.x? (Can we do both an ASE upgrade and a replication conversion
> before they are EOL? Is there a better strategic direction for us?) I
> imagine that the same issue exists on other OS platforms.
>
> And, of course, we have to upgrade from XP to .net, etc. It feels like we
> are doing much less application development and much more "keeping up with
> the latest vendor releases". And they take a lot of resources and time -
> testing in particular.
>
> "Mike Paola" <mpaola@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:4145e298@forums-1-dub...
> > Hi Reggie - sorry for the late response. The current plan is that the
> > end-of-life notification for ssremote will be announced within the next
> > month. Unless that plan changes, this would mean no ssremote support
for
> > ASE 15.x (ssremote actually relies on a log scanning interface that has
> been
> > deprecated in ASE 15.x). It would also mean ssremote is not part of the
> > next major release, code-named Jasper. Since the introduction of SQL
> Remote
> > ASE, iAnywhere has subsequently developed a much more flexible,
powerful,
> > and easy-to-use technology called MobiLink that provides bi-directional
> > synchronization between ASA/UltraLite clients and various back-end
> databases
> > including ASE.
> >
> > Mike Paola
> > Sr. Group Product Manager
> >
> > "Reggie Thomas" <thomas_r@bls.gov> wrote in message
> > news:4137431b@forums-1-dub...
> > > I currently have a three tier ASE/ASA sqlremote/dbremote setup.
> > > Will SQL remote still work with ASE 15.x?
> > > Will there be an installation option to install SQL remote on the ASA
> 10.x
> > > CD?
> > >
> > > What is the future of SQL Remote?
> > >


Michael Peppler Posted on 2004-09-16 13:37:44.0Z
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:

> Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases on
> top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade (no
> upgrade of databases/data required),

Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date and
time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then be
reused with 12.5.0.x.

Michael
--
Michael Peppler Data Migrations, Inc.
mpeppler@peppler.org http://www.peppler.org/
Sybase T-SQL/OpenClient/OpenServer/C/Perl developer available for short or
long term contract positions - http://www.peppler.org/resume.html


Jeff Tallman Posted on 2004-09-17 16:46:03.0Z
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What Naveen was referring to was that there was not an explicite upgrade
step. I can't think of very many "." releases of ASE where something
new wasn't introduced and either caused a modification to the system
tables or to the log format, etc.

One thing is that with the 12.5.x releases, they were designed to be all
binary compatible - and that you literally could do binary replacements.
The goal was that not only could you go up, but you could also go down
(i.e. from 12.5.2 to 12.5.1, etc.). In doing so, most (if not all) of
the new features would simply be "ignored" by the older version of the
software. As far as the date/time datatypes, I have not tried this
explicitely so I can't say - but generally speaking, if you went from
12.5.1 -> 12.5.2 -> 12.5.1 without making any changes to your schema, it
should work without a hitch.

Michael Peppler wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
>
>
>>Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases on
>>top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade (no
>>upgrade of databases/data required),
>
>
> Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date and
> time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
> when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then be
> reused with 12.5.0.x.
>
> Michael


Carl Kayser Posted on 2004-09-17 17:01:27.0Z
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First, my apologies for omitting the subject line.

It may be simple to upgrade ... but we have to put in the same amount of
testing regardless. Gotta make sure that those applications work correctly.

The EOL issue is fairly important to us. Does Sybase intend to state
something about this? I would think that there are a number of sites that
use SQL-Remote with ASE and have to consider planning, resources, options,
etc. (I should be off of SQL_remote by when?!)

"Jeff Tallman" <tallman@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:414b168d$1@forums-2-dub...
>
> What Naveen was referring to was that there was not an explicite upgrade
> step. I can't think of very many "." releases of ASE where something
> new wasn't introduced and either caused a modification to the system
> tables or to the log format, etc.
>
> One thing is that with the 12.5.x releases, they were designed to be all
> binary compatible - and that you literally could do binary replacements.
> The goal was that not only could you go up, but you could also go down
> (i.e. from 12.5.2 to 12.5.1, etc.). In doing so, most (if not all) of
> the new features would simply be "ignored" by the older version of the
> software. As far as the date/time datatypes, I have not tried this
> explicitely so I can't say - but generally speaking, if you went from
> 12.5.1 -> 12.5.2 -> 12.5.1 without making any changes to your schema, it
> should work without a hitch.
>
>
> Michael Peppler wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases
on
> >>top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade
(no
> >>upgrade of databases/data required),
> >
> >
> > Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date
and
> > time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
> > when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> > I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then
be
> > reused with 12.5.0.x.
> >
> > Michael


Naveen Puttagunta Posted on 2004-09-21 19:34:56.0Z
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Carl, let me address the SQLRemote question..

SQL*Remote will not be packaged in ASE 15.0
The EOL notification for SQL*Remote is set to go out fairly soon (if it is
not out already), so SQL*Remote itself will be supported for about 1 year
more (pls see the EOL note for SQL*Remote for the exact date).

ASE 12.5.x will be supported until atleast 2007 as I wrote earlier.

I assume you use SQL*Remote for ASA-ASE replication. I'd be interested in
your feedback on your efforts to migrate to Mobilink (e.g., if you have a
pilot project etc.)

hth,

--
Naveen.

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"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:414b1a27$1@forums-2-dub...
First, my apologies for omitting the subject line.

It may be simple to upgrade ... but we have to put in the same amount of
testing regardless. Gotta make sure that those applications work correctly.

The EOL issue is fairly important to us. Does Sybase intend to state
something about this? I would think that there are a number of sites that
use SQL-Remote with ASE and have to consider planning, resources, options,
etc. (I should be off of SQL_remote by when?!)

"Jeff Tallman" <tallman@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:414b168d$1@forums-2-dub...
>
> What Naveen was referring to was that there was not an explicite upgrade
> step. I can't think of very many "." releases of ASE where something
> new wasn't introduced and either caused a modification to the system
> tables or to the log format, etc.
>
> One thing is that with the 12.5.x releases, they were designed to be all
> binary compatible - and that you literally could do binary replacements.
> The goal was that not only could you go up, but you could also go down
> (i.e. from 12.5.2 to 12.5.1, etc.). In doing so, most (if not all) of
> the new features would simply be "ignored" by the older version of the
> software. As far as the date/time datatypes, I have not tried this
> explicitely so I can't say - but generally speaking, if you went from
> 12.5.1 -> 12.5.2 -> 12.5.1 without making any changes to your schema, it
> should work without a hitch.
>
>
> Michael Peppler wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases
on
> >>top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade
(no
> >>upgrade of databases/data required),
> >
> >
> > Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date
and
> > time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
> > when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> > I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then
be
> > reused with 12.5.0.x.
> >
> > Michael


Carl Kayser Posted on 2004-09-22 23:36:01.0Z
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Would that be January 2007 or December 2007?

Well, it won't be with a pilot project. - it will be with a production
system and a concern is migrating before any component of the overall
ASE/ASA environment is EOL.

"Naveen Puttagunta" <nav2@puttagunta.com> wrote in message
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> Carl, let me address the SQLRemote question..
>
> SQL*Remote will not be packaged in ASE 15.0
> The EOL notification for SQL*Remote is set to go out fairly soon (if it is
> not out already), so SQL*Remote itself will be supported for about 1 year
> more (pls see the EOL note for SQL*Remote for the exact date).
>
> ASE 12.5.x will be supported until atleast 2007 as I wrote earlier.
>
> I assume you use SQL*Remote for ASA-ASE replication. I'd be interested in
> your feedback on your efforts to migrate to Mobilink (e.g., if you have a
> pilot project etc.)
>
> hth,
>
> --
> Naveen.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
> news:414b1a27$1@forums-2-dub...
> First, my apologies for omitting the subject line.
>
> It may be simple to upgrade ... but we have to put in the same amount of
> testing regardless. Gotta make sure that those applications work
correctly.
>
> The EOL issue is fairly important to us. Does Sybase intend to state
> something about this? I would think that there are a number of sites that
> use SQL-Remote with ASE and have to consider planning, resources, options,
> etc. (I should be off of SQL_remote by when?!)
>
> "Jeff Tallman" <tallman@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:414b168d$1@forums-2-dub...
> >
> > What Naveen was referring to was that there was not an explicite upgrade
> > step. I can't think of very many "." releases of ASE where something
> > new wasn't introduced and either caused a modification to the system
> > tables or to the log format, etc.
> >
> > One thing is that with the 12.5.x releases, they were designed to be all
> > binary compatible - and that you literally could do binary replacements.
> > The goal was that not only could you go up, but you could also go down
> > (i.e. from 12.5.2 to 12.5.1, etc.). In doing so, most (if not all) of
> > the new features would simply be "ignored" by the older version of the
> > software. As far as the date/time datatypes, I have not tried this
> > explicitely so I can't say - but generally speaking, if you went from
> > 12.5.1 -> 12.5.2 -> 12.5.1 without making any changes to your schema, it
> > should work without a hitch.
> >
> >
> > Michael Peppler wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases
> on
> > >>top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade
> (no
> > >>upgrade of databases/data required),
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date
> and
> > > time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes
happen
> > > when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> > > I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can
then
> be
> > > reused with 12.5.0.x.
> > >
> > > Michael
>
>
>


Naveen Puttagunta Posted on 2004-09-24 01:12:28.0Z
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let me be conservative and say mid-2007, since the decision has not yet been
made. I suspect it will be longer, but I wanna be conservative in making a
committment. We are looking into publishing these dates publicly in about a
month.

--
Naveen.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

"Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
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Would that be January 2007 or December 2007?

Well, it won't be with a pilot project. - it will be with a production
system and a concern is migrating before any component of the overall
ASE/ASA environment is EOL.

"Naveen Puttagunta" <nav2@puttagunta.com> wrote in message
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> Carl, let me address the SQLRemote question..
>
> SQL*Remote will not be packaged in ASE 15.0
> The EOL notification for SQL*Remote is set to go out fairly soon (if it is
> not out already), so SQL*Remote itself will be supported for about 1 year
> more (pls see the EOL note for SQL*Remote for the exact date).
>
> ASE 12.5.x will be supported until atleast 2007 as I wrote earlier.
>
> I assume you use SQL*Remote for ASA-ASE replication. I'd be interested in
> your feedback on your efforts to migrate to Mobilink (e.g., if you have a
> pilot project etc.)
>
> hth,
>
> --
> Naveen.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Carl Kayser" <kayser_c@bls.gov> wrote in message
> news:414b1a27$1@forums-2-dub...
> First, my apologies for omitting the subject line.
>
> It may be simple to upgrade ... but we have to put in the same amount of
> testing regardless. Gotta make sure that those applications work
correctly.
>
> The EOL issue is fairly important to us. Does Sybase intend to state
> something about this? I would think that there are a number of sites that
> use SQL-Remote with ASE and have to consider planning, resources, options,
> etc. (I should be off of SQL_remote by when?!)
>
> "Jeff Tallman" <tallman@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:414b168d$1@forums-2-dub...
> >
> > What Naveen was referring to was that there was not an explicite upgrade
> > step. I can't think of very many "." releases of ASE where something
> > new wasn't introduced and either caused a modification to the system
> > tables or to the log format, etc.
> >
> > One thing is that with the 12.5.x releases, they were designed to be all
> > binary compatible - and that you literally could do binary replacements.
> > The goal was that not only could you go up, but you could also go down
> > (i.e. from 12.5.2 to 12.5.1, etc.). In doing so, most (if not all) of
> > the new features would simply be "ignored" by the older version of the
> > software. As far as the date/time datatypes, I have not tried this
> > explicitely so I can't say - but generally speaking, if you went from
> > 12.5.1 -> 12.5.2 -> 12.5.1 without making any changes to your schema, it
> > should work without a hitch.
> >
> >
> > Michael Peppler wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases
> on
> > >>top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade
> (no
> > >>upgrade of databases/data required),
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date
> and
> > > time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes
happen
> > > when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> > > I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can
then
> be
> > > reused with 12.5.0.x.
> > >
> > > Michael
>
>
>


Sethu Posted on 2004-09-18 15:40:21.0Z
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Hi Michael,

The upgrade is internal in that you donot have to go thro'
the sqlupgrade and upgrade utilities. We have also documented
how to downgrade if you want to. At TechWave we polled the
customers how frequently they downgrade and the answer
was none.

Correct me if I'm wrong, customers do test IRs, ESDs and 1-off EBF
before putting it in production. Besides these for some of the features
like date and time schema changes and application changes are
required (a definite amount of development effort is involved ?).

All the features are turned off by default unless customers want
to use it (there are some exceptions like the HouseKeeper and
tempdb performance improvements were turned on by default).

Thanks,
Sethu

"Michael Peppler" <mpeppler@peppler.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.16.13.25.29.146300@peppler.org...
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
>
> > Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases on
> > top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade (no
> > upgrade of databases/data required),
>
> Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date and
> time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
> when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then be
> reused with 12.5.0.x.
>
> Michael
> --
> Michael Peppler Data Migrations, Inc.
> mpeppler@peppler.org http://www.peppler.org/
> Sybase T-SQL/OpenClient/OpenServer/C/Perl developer available for short or
> long term contract positions - http://www.peppler.org/resume.html
>


Bret Halford Posted on 2004-09-20 14:44:54.0Z
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Hi Sethu,

Some customers certainly do test before putting changes in production,
but ask Tech Support and they will tell you that there are certainly
some who do not. I've seen customers upgrade from 11.x to 12.5.x
without any testing or even apparently reading the documentation about
changes between the versions. :-(

-bret

Sethu wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> The upgrade is internal in that you donot have to go thro'
> the sqlupgrade and upgrade utilities. We have also documented
> how to downgrade if you want to. At TechWave we polled the
> customers how frequently they downgrade and the answer
> was none.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, customers do test IRs, ESDs and 1-off EBF
> before putting it in production. Besides these for some of the features
> like date and time schema changes and application changes are
> required (a definite amount of development effort is involved ?).
>
> All the features are turned off by default unless customers want
> to use it (there are some exceptions like the HouseKeeper and
> tempdb performance improvements were turned on by default).
>
> Thanks,
> Sethu
>
> "Michael Peppler" <mpeppler@peppler.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.09.16.13.25.29.146300@peppler.org...
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:53:24 -0700, Naveen Puttagunta wrote:
> >
> > > Carl, actually, ASE 12.5.x releases are all maintenance/patch releases on
> > > top of ASE 12.5. So from ASE 12.5.0.2 to ASE 12.5.2 is not an upgrade (no
> > > upgrade of databases/data required),
> >
> > Actually that's not quite right. 12.5.2 introduces new datatypes (date and
> > time) that require changes to the system tables and those changes happen
> > when the 12.5.2 uses an older database for the first time.
> > I'm not 100% sure if a database that has been used with 12.5.2 can then be
> > reused with 12.5.0.x.
> >
> > Michael
> > --
> > Michael Peppler Data Migrations, Inc.
> > mpeppler@peppler.org http://www.peppler.org/
> > Sybase T-SQL/OpenClient/OpenServer/C/Perl developer available for short or
> > long term contract positions - http://www.peppler.org/resume.html
> >