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ASA Licensing

26 posts in General Discussion Last posting was on 2004-10-27 18:13:24.0Z
Jack T. Posted on 2004-09-19 17:55:03.0Z
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This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any responsibility
of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
Regards,
Jack T.

>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
They have a near impecable record.<<

>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy to
recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
valuable to me than ASE will ever be.

As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate apps.
The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
back end.

What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just need
to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
with MSDE.

I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing they
allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the 2005
Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great product.<


Nick Elson Posted on 2004-09-20 01:25:27.0Z
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You have probably been talking with iAnywhere Sales, whose job is to
sell the current licensing model.

You have broached upon a number of issues in the current and future
market place that would probably be better raised on the

sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion

newsgroup. Postings there tend to get the product management
team's attention; which is probably a better forum for this since any
future release would be the place this type of change would show
up.

As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
up there for any responses.

"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
> This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
> will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
responsibility
> of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
> Regards,
> Jack T.
>
> >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
> They have a near impecable record.<<
>
> >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
to
> recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
> valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>
> As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
> thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
apps.
> The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
> back end.
>
> What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
> install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
> All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
> put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
> problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
need
> to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
> with MSDE.
>
> I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
they
> allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
2005
> Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
> of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
product.<
>
>


Jack T. Posted on 2004-09-20 12:12:35.0Z
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> As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
up there for any responses.<

Thank you,
Jack T.


Michael Gould Posted on 2004-09-20 16:44:46.0Z
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Jack T. wrote:
>>As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
>
> up there for any responses.<
>
> Thank you,
> Jack T.
>
>

Jack,

I agree to a point, the current single user version of ASA just isn't a
usable product for my application. However, ASE Express doesn't work
for me either because it's limited to the Linux platform and many of my
users will not put a Linux box in the mix... and as such I need a
windows solution. I'm not sure though, how ASA could respond. I guess
they could give the same limitations as the new MS SQL Express which has
no performance govenor's anymore and is only limited by the number of
processors, memory and db size. The issue that Sybase would need to
figure out is how to handle this without losing too much revenue. I've
got customers who have been on our system for 3 1/2 years that have just
gone over the 400 meg mark on their databases.

Regards,

Michael Gould


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-09-25 09:16:28.0Z
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On 19 Sep 2004 18:25:27 -0700, "Nick Elson"

<no_spam_nicelson@sybase.com> wrote:

>You have probably been talking with iAnywhere Sales, whose job is to
>sell the current licensing model.
>
>You have broached upon a number of issues in the current and future
>market place that would probably be better raised on the
>
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>
>newsgroup. Postings there tend to get the product management
>team's attention; which is probably a better forum for this since any
>future release would be the place this type of change would show
>up.
>
>As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
>up there for any responses.
>
>
>
>"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
>> This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>> will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
>responsibility
>> of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>> Regards,
>> Jack T.
>>
>> >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>> They have a near impecable record.<<
>>
>> >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
>to
>> recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>> valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>>
>> As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>> thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
>apps.
>> The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>> back end.
>>
>> What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>> install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>> All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>> put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>> problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
>need
>> to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>> with MSDE.
>>
>> I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
>they
>> allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
>2005
>> Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>> of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
>product.<
>>
>>
>

> Things are moving VERY slowly here. Maybe I must have another look at

Firebird and SQL Express. Would have loved to use ASA though. But if
you
can't join them...then beat them by using another tool <g>
Still hoping....
Greetings
Johan van Zyl<

Skip Firebird. Been there, done that. 2005 is still beta, and won't
install everywhere due to something wrong with the install of the beta
.NET
required to run it. Been there, done that too. MSDE works. That's
what I
ended up doing to get my product in people's hands.

Regards,
Jack T.

Hi Jack
If only they would respond with some kind of an answer I would feel a
bit more positive - but silence is not golden - no news is not good
news in this case<g>

Johan van Zyl


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-09-27 17:18:55.0Z
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Robert Williamson,
Johan van Zyl indicated that he is discussing with you the possibility
of
Sybase offering a free entry level ASA edition and asked that Clarion
developers contact you with our thoughts.

We have a medical niche application that is being sold in the USA. It
targets community based organizations that provide services to
developmentally disabled and mentally retarded individuals. These
organizations generally do not have experienced computer staff. Many
have
only one computer for running our application, while others have a
small
hand full. Once an organization goes beyond a single computer for this
application, there is always a need to share data (replication is
desirable.) The larger organizations can cover a whole state, or even
multiple states, and need to keep track of hundreds of clients where a
true
SQL client/server configuration is desirable.

Currently we are using the Clarion Topspeed database that comes with
the
Clarion development product. But last year we tried to switch to the
Pervasive Btrieve 8.1 database and had to abandon it. The primary
reason
for wanting to switch was the good reports on the Clarion newsgroups
about
how stable and expandable Btrieve was. Also, the list price per seat
was
only $25, so this extra cost to use Btrieve was not a problem for our
customers. Unfortunately we ran into some serious technical problems
trying
to use Btrieve, so had to revert back to the Topspeed database (which
is
what we are shipping).

Developers on the Clarion NGs consistently sing praises about ASA, how
stable it is, how extensible it is, how reliable it is in recovering,
and
how easy it is to work with. Shortly, the CapeSoft FM3 product will
also
provide automatic table restructuring for ASA, which will make it even
easier to use.

The Firebird SQL is getting a lot of attention since it is a free open
source product and now has CapeSoft FM3 support. But Firebird still
does
not measure up to ASA in all respects.

So what stands in the way of using ASA for our application? Primarily
cost.
It is simply too expensive to include for smaller installations where
our
application will be installed on only one computer, or a few computers
that
want to share the database. But for larger installations where a true
client/server setup is needed, the cost is not an issue.

Most of our prospective customers require a demo of our product. This
means
that we send out a cd with the full product with a 30-day trial. We
have
the ability to extend the trial as needed. If they don't purchase, the
product simply stops running after the trial. With the Topspeed
database,
this is not an issue, since we do not have to pay an additional
license fee
every time we ship the product. For ASA to be useful under these
circumstances, we would need permission to ship ASA under these demo
conditions without having to pay a license fee just to demo.

What would really be nice is if Sybase could offer the full version of
ASA
with limited number of connections as a free product for small systems
such
as I have described. Keep in mind that the $25 list price that
Pervasive
Btrieve cost was considered ok for our application. But we did get
permission to ship it free in demo mode. Notice that for the larger
installations that go beyond just a few connections, the standard cost
of
ASA is not such an issue. That is where I would expect you to really
benefit.

Others have pointed out that Microsoft has an incredible marketing
advantage by making MSDE free. Developers that need a SQL database
that
spans small to large installations are automatically drawn to
Microsoft for
that very reason. But ASA is a much better product -- but Microsoft
still
has the advantage because MSDE is free.

So my hope is that Sybase can come up with a strategy to match the
Microsoft MSDE approach (and more importantly, the newer incarnation
of
MSDE that is becoming available.) Make it easy for us developers to
get ASA
in the door with our applications. Otherwise, the open source SQL
databases
will continue to gain ground at your expense.

We really would like to use ASA with our product, provided the cost
structure for the small systems mentioned doesn't get in the way. As I
have
indicated, the cost structure for the larger systems is not such an
issue.
I hope this explanation helps.

-- Sincerely,
Roger Due, President
Manzano Software Company
129 El Pueblo Road NW
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87114
505-898-9791

On 25 Sep 2004 02:16:28 -0700, Johan van Zyl <johan@jvz.co.za> wrote:

>On 19 Sep 2004 18:25:27 -0700, "Nick Elson"
><no_spam_nicelson@sybase.com> wrote:
>
>>You have probably been talking with iAnywhere Sales, whose job is to
>>sell the current licensing model.
>>
>>You have broached upon a number of issues in the current and future
>>market place that would probably be better raised on the
>>
>> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>>
>>newsgroup. Postings there tend to get the product management
>>team's attention; which is probably a better forum for this since any
>>future release would be the place this type of change would show
>>up.
>>
>>As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
>>up there for any responses.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
>>> This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>>> will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
>>responsibility
>>> of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>>> Regards,
>>> Jack T.
>>>
>>> >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>>> They have a near impecable record.<<
>>>
>>> >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
>>to
>>> recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>>> valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>>>
>>> As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>>> thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
>>apps.
>>> The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>>> back end.
>>>
>>> What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>>> install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>>> All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>>> put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>>> problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
>>need
>>> to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>>> with MSDE.
>>>
>>> I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
>>they
>>> allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
>>2005
>>> Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>>> of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
>>product.<
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>> Things are moving VERY slowly here. Maybe I must have another look at
>Firebird and SQL Express. Would have loved to use ASA though. But if
>you
>can't join them...then beat them by using another tool <g>
>Still hoping....
>Greetings
>Johan van Zyl<
>
>Skip Firebird. Been there, done that. 2005 is still beta, and won't
>install everywhere due to something wrong with the install of the beta
>.NET
>required to run it. Been there, done that too. MSDE works. That's
>what I
>ended up doing to get my product in people's hands.
>
>Regards,
>Jack T.
>
>Hi Jack
>If only they would respond with some kind of an answer I would feel a
>bit more positive - but silence is not golden - no news is not good
>news in this case<g>
>
>Johan van Zyl
>


Chris Kleisath Posted on 2004-09-21 12:46:22.0Z
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I answered this question in the ianywhere.public.general newsgroup.

"Nick Elson" <no_spam_nicelson@sybase.com> wrote in message
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> You have probably been talking with iAnywhere Sales, whose job is to
> sell the current licensing model.
>
> You have broached upon a number of issues in the current and future
> market place that would probably be better raised on the
>
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>
> newsgroup. Postings there tend to get the product management
> team's attention; which is probably a better forum for this since any
> future release would be the place this type of change would show
> up.
>
> As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
> up there for any responses.
>
>
>
> "Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
> > This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what
you
> > will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
> responsibility
> > of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
> > Regards,
> > Jack T.
> >
> > >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider
it.
> > They have a near impecable record.<<
> >
> > >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
> to
> > recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
> > valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
> >
> > As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the
real
> > thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
> apps.
> > The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
> > back end.
> >
> > What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a
license
> > install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for
years.
> > All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that,
then
> > put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
> > problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
> need
> > to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
> > with MSDE.
> >
> > I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
> they
> > allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
> 2005
> > Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense
because
> > of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
> product.<
> >
> >
>
>


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 15:35:34.0Z
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>The front runners are ASA and Firebird, in that order.<

On the pay-for databases, you'll have a tough time beating ASA. MSSQL
you
have to look at from a marketing standpoint. It doesn't make sense
any
other way.

Forget Firebird. If you are going to work with an RDBMS, work with
real
ones. I'd bet on the Ingres if I had the time. MSDE isn't real but
its
better than Firebird..

There are other real free ones too, but their idea of multi-platform
is not
to include Windows. That's not my idea of multi-platform.
Multi-platform
does not have to include Netware necessarily, but it does need to
include
Windows, Linuxs, and FreeBSD would be nice. Solaris wouldn't hurt.

Regards,
Jack T.


On 19 Sep 2004 18:25:27 -0700, "Nick Elson"

<no_spam_nicelson@sybase.com> wrote:

>You have probably been talking with iAnywhere Sales, whose job is to
>sell the current licensing model.
>
>You have broached upon a number of issues in the current and future
>market place that would probably be better raised on the
>
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>
>newsgroup. Postings there tend to get the product management
>team's attention; which is probably a better forum for this since any
>future release would be the place this type of change would show
>up.
>
>As such I've taken the liberty of cross posting it there for you. Follow
>up there for any responses.
>
>
>
>"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
>> This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>> will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
>responsibility
>> of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>> Regards,
>> Jack T.
>>
>> >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>> They have a near impecable record.<<
>>
>> >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
>to
>> recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>> valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>>
>> As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>> thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
>apps.
>> The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>> back end.
>>
>> What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>> install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>> All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>> put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>> problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
>need
>> to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>> with MSDE.
>>
>> I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
>they
>> allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
>2005
>> Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>> of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
>product.<
>>
>>
>


Chris Kleisath Posted on 2004-09-20 14:34:41.0Z
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You raise a couple of interesting questions:

1. 60-day time-bomb version:
==> we currently have this. It is posted on our web site.

2. Redistribution of eval version of ASA with an eval version of the
application
==> Current customers who have a redistribution agreement with us to allow
them to include ASA with their application can talk to their sales rep and
tell them they want to redistribute demo versions, and get the right to
redistribute our 60-day eval version. This is done all the time by many
of our OEM partners. If you have a different redistribution approach, then
we should be able to come to an agreement on distribtution of the eval
version.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Chris

// Chris Kleisath
// Sr. Director of Engineering
// iAnywhere Solutions
// kleisath_nospam_@ianywhere.com

"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
> This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
> will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
responsibility
> of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
> Regards,
> Jack T.
>
> >>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
> They have a near impecable record.<<
>
> >I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
to
> recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
> valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>
> As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
> thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
apps.
> The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
> back end.
>
> What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
> install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
> All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
> put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
> problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
need
> to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
> with MSDE.
>
> I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
they
> allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
2005
> Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
> of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
product.<
>
>


Michael Gould Posted on 2004-09-21 18:13:37.0Z
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Chris,

Jack and I have the same concerns and we both use the same application
development software. The issue comes down that evaluation software
isn't really the issue anymore. Microsoft has released SQL 2005 Express
to replace MSDE which is a full version of SQL 2005 with no
performance governors and the only restrictions being the number of
processors (1) that can be utilized, the amount of memory that can be
used, 1 Gig for the buffer pool. However, memory needed to keep track
of connections, locks, etc. is not counted toward the buffer pool limit.
The size of the database is limited to 4 Gig.

For many developers, this is more than enough for their applications and
ASA could take a hit on future sales. We have a very robust
commercial system for the containerized transportation industry. I have
customers who have been using our software for more than 3 years and
their databases because of normalization are now exceeding 400 Meg. One
of these customers has 17 locations who all use the database via Citrix.
In this instance, I use multi-processor boxes, but many of my
customers could now easily live within the "constraints" of SQL 2005
Express.

We've always stuck with ASA because it is cost competitive, however,
with competitor's now using Open Source and Freely distributed
solutions, we like everyone else are being squeezed to be more cost
competitive. iAnywhere needs to have a solution to these open source
and now highly competitive databases like SQL 2005 Express.

Chris Kleisath wrote:
> You raise a couple of interesting questions:
>
> 1. 60-day time-bomb version:
> ==> we currently have this. It is posted on our web site.
>
> 2. Redistribution of eval version of ASA with an eval version of the
> application
> ==> Current customers who have a redistribution agreement with us to allow
> them to include ASA with their application can talk to their sales rep and
> tell them they want to redistribute demo versions, and get the right to
> redistribute our 60-day eval version. This is done all the time by many
> of our OEM partners. If you have a different redistribution approach, then
> we should be able to come to an agreement on distribtution of the eval
> version.
>
> Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>
> Chris
>
> // Chris Kleisath
> // Sr. Director of Engineering
> // iAnywhere Solutions
> // kleisath_nospam_@ianywhere.com
>
>
>
>
> "Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:414dc9be@forums-2-dub...
>
>>This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>>will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any
>
> responsibility
>
>>of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>>Regards,
>>Jack T.
>>
>>
>>>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>>
>>They have a near impecable record.<<
>>
>>>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy
>
> to
>
>>recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>>valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>>
>>As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>>thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate
>
> apps.
>
>>The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>>back end.
>>
>>What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>>install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>>All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>>put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>>problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just
>
> need
>
>>to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>>with MSDE.
>>
>>I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing
>
> they
>
>>allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the
>
> 2005
>
>>Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>>of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great
>
> product.<
>
>>
>
>


Jack T. Posted on 2004-09-22 03:31:39.0Z
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> Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Who do I contact? I've been working with the OEM sales for more than a year
to get ready for this product. When I started getting close with my product
they started talking $10,000 OEM agreement. I've asked repeatedly through
many conversations about demo, limited, or time bomb versions to get the
product in people's hands. Every time for the past year they told me the
only thing they have is a read-only database for $99.00 with redistribution
rights. I talked to a girl two weeks ago who was the head of the area, and
she said no demo databases except for read-only. I have several hours on
the phone with them over the past year with sales.

You know things that nobody in iAnywhere sales knows. I just spent two very
long weeks making up a demo to run on MSDE. Just prior to starting the
project I asked again. The answer was no. Either something happened withn
the past two weeks or Shawn McEwen and the others I've talked to in the
sales team are way out of the loop. While I don't like MSDE/MSSQL because
it lacks usable DDL RI, you'd better believe I'm going to look at 2005 once
it settles down. Currently there are plenty of machines that the required
beta .NET framework won't install on, so it I'll have to stick with MSDE.
The ASA sales team sent me to Microsoft. What I know is from ASA sales, and
according to them, there is no such thing as a time bomb ASA or any kind of
demo agreement. When they do come up with something, it would be good to
have a way to enter a number or add a license to upgrade before and after
the time runs out so that they can continue on with data that they have
built.

Regards,
Jack T.


Jason Hinsperger (iAnywhere) Posted on 2004-09-26 13:57:11.0Z
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Contact your sales rep. You may want to mention tis thread and the response
posted by Chris Kleisath.
If you have further problems, please feel free to e-mail Chris or myself
directly and we will help get things sorted out for you.

--
Jason Hinsperger
Product Manager
iAnywhere Solutions
hinsperg_no_spam_@ianywhere.com
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"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> > Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>
> Who do I contact? I've been working with the OEM sales for more than a
year
> to get ready for this product. When I started getting close with my
product
> they started talking $10,000 OEM agreement. I've asked repeatedly through
> many conversations about demo, limited, or time bomb versions to get the
> product in people's hands. Every time for the past year they told me the
> only thing they have is a read-only database for $99.00 with
redistribution
> rights. I talked to a girl two weeks ago who was the head of the area,
and
> she said no demo databases except for read-only. I have several hours on
> the phone with them over the past year with sales.
>
> You know things that nobody in iAnywhere sales knows. I just spent two
very
> long weeks making up a demo to run on MSDE. Just prior to starting the
> project I asked again. The answer was no. Either something happened
withn
> the past two weeks or Shawn McEwen and the others I've talked to in the
> sales team are way out of the loop. While I don't like MSDE/MSSQL because
> it lacks usable DDL RI, you'd better believe I'm going to look at 2005
once
> it settles down. Currently there are plenty of machines that the required
> beta .NET framework won't install on, so it I'll have to stick with MSDE.
> The ASA sales team sent me to Microsoft. What I know is from ASA sales,
and
> according to them, there is no such thing as a time bomb ASA or any kind
of
> demo agreement. When they do come up with something, it would be good to
> have a way to enter a number or add a license to upgrade before and after
> the time runs out so that they can continue on with data that they have
> built.
>
> Regards,
> Jack T.
>
>


Chris Kleisath Posted on 2004-09-30 14:22:56.0Z
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I have been speaking with our Director of Sales, Chuck Lownie about your
issue. I would suggest that you contact him directly. You indicate that
I "know things that nobody in iAnywhere sales knows." While I cannot vouch
for every one of our sales reps, I do know that Chuck is fully aware of the
programs I described. Chuck would be happy to talk to you about your
specific case. You can reach Chuck directly at chuck.lownie__nospam__
@ianywhere.com (remove the __nospam__ as usual), or at (519) 883-6372.

Also, you mention that it would b good to have some way to enter a number to
add a license prior to a time-bomb expiry. This is possible today, but may
not be well understood. We are working on ways of making this capability
easier to manage.

If I can offer any additional assistance, please do not hesitate to contact
me.

Chris

// Chris Kleisath
// Sr. Director of Engineering
// kleisath__nospam__@ianywhere.com

"Jack T." <71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> > Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>
> Who do I contact? I've been working with the OEM sales for more than a
year
> to get ready for this product. When I started getting close with my
product
> they started talking $10,000 OEM agreement. I've asked repeatedly through
> many conversations about demo, limited, or time bomb versions to get the
> product in people's hands. Every time for the past year they told me the
> only thing they have is a read-only database for $99.00 with
redistribution
> rights. I talked to a girl two weeks ago who was the head of the area,
and
> she said no demo databases except for read-only. I have several hours on
> the phone with them over the past year with sales.
>
> You know things that nobody in iAnywhere sales knows. I just spent two
very
> long weeks making up a demo to run on MSDE. Just prior to starting the
> project I asked again. The answer was no. Either something happened
withn
> the past two weeks or Shawn McEwen and the others I've talked to in the
> sales team are way out of the loop. While I don't like MSDE/MSSQL because
> it lacks usable DDL RI, you'd better believe I'm going to look at 2005
once
> it settles down. Currently there are plenty of machines that the required
> beta .NET framework won't install on, so it I'll have to stick with MSDE.
> The ASA sales team sent me to Microsoft. What I know is from ASA sales,
and
> according to them, there is no such thing as a time bomb ASA or any kind
of
> demo agreement. When they do come up with something, it would be good to
> have a way to enter a number or add a license to upgrade before and after
> the time runs out so that they can continue on with data that they have
> built.
>
> Regards,
> Jack T.
>
>


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-09-23 09:43:58.0Z
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Hi
I e-mailed this
"Hi
How about a free ASA version for say up to 10 users and 4GB?
Greetings
JVZ"
to
contact_us@ianywhere.com; sales@financialfusion.com;
on Mon 2004/09/20 01:17
but to date I have had no answer.

Can I add:
What I realy want is something to counter MSDE, SQL Express, Firebird
etc. i.e. the free and/or open source data engines that are out there.
Give us a fully functional ASA with restrictions only on either no of
processors and /or database file size etc.
Thx for your kind consideration.
Johan van Zyl
JVZ Systems CC


On 19 Sep 2004 10:55:03 -0700, "Jack T."

<71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote:

>This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any responsibility
>of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>Regards,
>Jack T.
>
>>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>They have a near impecable record.<<
>
>>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy to
>recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>
>As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate apps.
>The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>back end.
>
>What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just need
>to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>with MSDE.
>
>I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing they
>allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the 2005
>Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great product.<
>


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-09-24 09:00:16.0Z
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Things are moving VERY slowly here.
Maybe I must hav eanother look at Firebird and SQL Express.
Would have loved to use ASA though. But if you can't join them...then
beat them by using another tool <g>
Still hoping....
Greetings
Johan van Zyl

On 19 Sep 2004 10:55:03 -0700, "Jack T."

<71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote:

>This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any responsibility
>of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>Regards,
>Jack T.
>
>>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>They have a near impecable record.<<
>
>>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy to
>recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>
>As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate apps.
>The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>back end.
>
>What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just need
>to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>with MSDE.
>
>I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing they
>allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the 2005
>Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great product.<
>


Jack T. Posted on 2004-09-25 02:02:22.0Z
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> Things are moving VERY slowly here. Maybe I must have another look at
Firebird and SQL Express. Would have loved to use ASA though. But if you
can't join them...then beat them by using another tool <g>
Still hoping....
Greetings
Johan van Zyl<

Skip Firebird. Been there, done that. 2005 is still beta, and won't
install everywhere due to something wrong with the install of the beta .NET
required to run it. Been there, done that too. MSDE works. That's what I
ended up doing to get my product in people's hands.

Regards,
Jack T.


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 11:54:41.0Z
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Hi
We do not seem to be getting anywhere in this NG - I am now also
posting this to sybase.public.sqlanywhere.linux.
If there is ANYBODY from ASA/iAnywhere that can take an interest here,
then PLEASE do so! THIS WILL BE TO YOUR BENEFIT AS WELL!

Thx

Johan van Zyl

On 19 Sep 2004 10:55:03 -0700, "Jack T."

<71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote:

>This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any responsibility
>of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>Regards,
>Jack T.
>
>>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>They have a near impecable record.<<
>
>>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy to
>recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>
>As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate apps.
>The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>back end.
>
>What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just need
>to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>with MSDE.
>
>I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing they
>allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the 2005
>Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great product.<
>


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 12:10:59.0Z
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Hi

OK to kick start things once again - what is Sybase doing to counter
Microsoft's MSDE?

i.e. a FREE database with limitations built in - AND the customer gets
only the database - no Enterprise Manager, etc - no nothing.
And as the customer outgrows MSDE - THEN he pays for MS SQL server.
But if he starts of with MSDE and outgrows it some time in future he
will not THEN go for ASA or ASE!
So YOU lose out. We and our customers will not lose out, we will
choose another tool and get on with our lives.
There are a lot of us that feel that ASA is the best tool out there -
but if you are going to keep the door closed then there is nothing we
can do about it.


Greetings

Johan van Zyl

On 11 Oct 2004 04:54:41 -0700, Johan van Zyl <johan@jvz.co.za> wrote:

>Hi
>We do not seem to be getting anywhere in this NG - I am now also
>posting this to sybase.public.sqlanywhere.linux.
>If there is ANYBODY from ASA/iAnywhere that can take an interest here,
>then PLEASE do so! THIS WILL BE TO YOUR BENEFIT AS WELL!
>
>Thx
>
>Johan van Zyl
>
>On 19 Sep 2004 10:55:03 -0700, "Jack T."
><71045.3122_No_Spam_Here@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>>This is a conversation taken from a newsgroup. It is typical of what you
>>will find. The purpose of the post is to wash myself of any responsibility
>>of not warning iAnywhere of what will most certainly be their demise.
>>Regards,
>>Jack T.
>>
>>>>If Sybase adjusted their licensing model we would seriously consider it.
>>They have a near impecable record.<<
>>
>>>I agree 100%. You can't find a more rock solid, easy to maintain, easy to
>>recover, fast, and no funny stuff database at any price. ASA is more
>>valuable to me than ASE will ever be.
>>
>>As it is, I need to have two programs, a demo that uses MSDE, and the real
>>thing that uses ASA. I really hate that because they are two separate apps.
>>The MSDE one has to have the integrity in the app, and ASA has it in the
>>back end.
>>
>>What I want is the same ASA DB, the same ASA engine, with simply a license
>>install to open it up. They have had the license install in it for years.
>>All I'm asking for is that one user be free. If they can't do that, then
>>put a 60 day time bomb in it. I have that in my demo anyway. I have no
>>problem with them getting another $60-$80 per seat thereafter. I just need
>>to get my product in people's hands and the only way to do that today is
>>with MSDE.
>>
>>I've had these conversations with iAnywhere. Currently the only thing they
>>allow you to give away is a READONLY version, which is useless. If the 2005
>>Express version ever gets it together, ASA will not make any sense because
>>of its licensing model. It's really too bad because it's a great product.<
>>


Greg Fenton Posted on 2004-10-11 14:52:50.0Z
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Johan van Zyl wrote:
> Hi
>
> OK to kick start things once again - what is Sybase doing to counter
> Microsoft's MSDE?
>

Please do not cross-post.

This discussion has been going on in ianywhere.public.general and I
don't think adding the Linux newsgroup is very relevant to this question
as MSDE doesn't offer a Linux version...so there is no "competition"
from that particular product on this platforms.

BTW: discussions of this sort actually belong in the newsgroup:

sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion

greg.fenton
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Consultant, Solution Services, iAnywhere Solutions
--------
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http://www.ianywhere.com/developer/


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Johan van Zyl wrote:
> Hi
>
> OK to kick start things once again - what is Sybase doing to counter
> Microsoft's MSDE?
>

Please do not cross-post. This discussion has been going on in
ianywhere.public.general and I don't think adding the Linux newsgroup is
very relevant to this question as MSDE doesn't offer a Linux
version...so there is no "competition" from that particular product on
this platforms.

BTW: discussions of this sort actually belong in the newsgroup:

sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion

greg.fenton
--
Greg Fenton
Consultant, Solution Services, iAnywhere Solutions
--------
Visit the iAnywhere Solutions Developer Community
Whitepapers, TechDocs, Downloads
http://www.ianywhere.com/developer/


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 15:24:11.0Z
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Hi
Hi

We tried there as well - it did not work!

If you have a look in
sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
do you think anything has been achieved?

About MSDE not having a Linux version, it does not matter - we would
like the same agreement for ASA for Windows and Linux. Otherwise, what
is the point? Do you know that CA's Ingres is now open source.
People in the Clarion NewsGroups still prefer ASA but if you are going
to keep the door the we will move on and you will be the losers. Once
somebody is on Firebird or Ingres or MSDE, why will he LATER move to
ASA? Catch them when they start up - I say!
While I have your attention, what would you recommend we do to get
results. Surely there must be somebody who can help us!

Here is to hope and a brighter future!

Greetings

Johan van Zyl


On 11 Oct 2004 07:52:16 -0700, Greg Fenton

<greg.fenton_NOSPAM_@ianywhere.com> wrote:

>Johan van Zyl wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> OK to kick start things once again - what is Sybase doing to counter
>> Microsoft's MSDE?
>>
>
>Please do not cross-post. This discussion has been going on in
>ianywhere.public.general and I don't think adding the Linux newsgroup is
>very relevant to this question as MSDE doesn't offer a Linux
>version...so there is no "competition" from that particular product on
>this platforms.
>
>BTW: discussions of this sort actually belong in the newsgroup:
>
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>
>greg.fenton


Greg Fenton Posted on 2004-10-11 17:44:12.0Z
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Johan van Zyl wrote:
>
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion

Replied to the above newsgroup. Please post follow-ups there.

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Peter Arrenbrecht Posted on 2004-10-27 18:13:24.0Z
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Johan van Zyl wrote:
> ... Once
> somebody is on Firebird or Ingres or MSDE, why will he LATER move to
> ASA? Catch them when they start up - I say!

I second that. ASA runs loops around MS-SQL in terms of usability and
functionality. It's programming model is just plain hassle free by
comparison. But we only know because we started using it when it was
still the most inexpensive choice for us.

Given that MS is a marketing choice (as Johan says somewhere else), I
would very much appreciate it if the Sybase OEM license also supplied me
with periodically updated marketing material for selling ASA to my
customers as the best possible choice given their profile. You know,
Sybase's reference material would probably make a better impression than
just my word.

Regards,
Peter Arrenbrecht


Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 15:29:31.0Z
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Hi
People in Clarion NewsGroups are getting restless.
JVZ

Hi All,

Ingres r3 – An Evaluation by Bloor Research.

Just thought it might interest you.

http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=61423&ID=

Thanks.

Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE

The article makes sense. I can't imagine there would be an Open
Source
database out there of that caliber.

Thanks,
Jack T.

This SQL is going to make the entire SQL Open Source community an
interesting place...

Thanks.

Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE

On 11 Oct 2004 08:24:11 -0700, Johan van Zyl <johan@jvz.co.za> wrote:

>Hi
>Hi
>
>We tried there as well - it did not work!
>
>If you have a look in
>sybase.public.sqlanywhere.product_futures_discussion
>do you think anything has been achieved?
>
>About MSDE not having a Linux version, it does not matter - we would
>like the same agreement for ASA for Windows and Linux. Otherwise, what
>is the point? Do you know that CA's Ingres is now open source.
>


Greg Fenton Posted on 2004-10-11 17:43:28.0Z
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Johan van Zyl wrote:
> While I have your attention, what would you recommend we do to get
> results. Surely there must be somebody who can help us!
>

Chris Kleisath (who had posted in the ianywhere.public.general thread)
along with members of our product management group take all discussions
quite seriously and the ones which get started in the futures newsgroup
tend to get quite a bit of attention.

Just because there is no immediate answer does not necessarily mean
there isn't some work being done. I wouldn't expect a company to
analyze and discuss its product positioning and come up with a response
in a matter of a couple of weeks. Also recognize that the newsgroup
forum is a *free*, *public* forum.

You might also keep discussions up with your sales rep. Input coming
from that channel tends to have weight behind it (because it is tied to
opportunity).

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Johan van Zyl Posted on 2004-10-11 20:11:43.0Z
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Hi
Thx!

I have sent dozens of e-mails to: robert@sybase.co.za;
robs@sybase.co.za; chuck.lownie@ianywhere.com
but to no avail!
But I will keep on trying.
ASA is just to good a product to just give up!
Greetings
JVZ



On 11 Oct 2004 10:43:28 -0700, Greg Fenton

<greg.fenton_NOSPAM_@ianywhere.com> wrote:

>Johan van Zyl wrote:
>> While I have your attention, what would you recommend we do to get
>> results. Surely there must be somebody who can help us!
>>
>
>Chris Kleisath (who had posted in the ianywhere.public.general thread)
>along with members of our product management group take all discussions
>quite seriously and the ones which get started in the futures newsgroup
>tend to get quite a bit of attention.
>
>Just because there is no immediate answer does not necessarily mean
>there isn't some work being done. I wouldn't expect a company to
>analyze and discuss its product positioning and come up with a response
>in a matter of a couple of weeks. Also recognize that the newsgroup
>forum is a *free*, *public* forum.
>
>You might also keep discussions up with your sales rep. Input coming
>from that channel tends to have weight behind it (because it is tied to
>opportunity).
>
>greg.fenton