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M-Business- form submissions

7 posts in General Discussion Last posting was on 2004-11-20 02:13:50.0Z
C Owen Posted on 2004-11-10 17:15:01.0Z
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Hello - we are using M-Biz/Win2k to create a managed conduit
to a web system inside our firewall - that web systems alows
users to look-up people (phone directory) and send them a
pager message on their beeper - the conduit works well and
send the beep just as a user would from the any desktop web
interface - speed of page loading and beep submission is not
bad - the connection is don 'online' because of the size of
the phone directory and the need to verify the user beeper
id -

- the conduit is needed because the phone directory is only
available inside the firewall and web browsing is not
supported outside the firewall - M-Biz make this connection
easily -

- the problem is that 1 form submission through M-Biz on the
Treo results in the system sending 2, 3, 4 or more identical
beeps - all with different time stamps in sequence -

- there seems to be some echo of page reloads or cache
reposts or wireless reconnections or something? - in facts,
I've had echo beeps on the same message the following day -

- any ideas? -

- on the Palm M-Biz client, we've browsed away from the
'submit' web page, we've cleared the Palm conduit cache,
we've looked at the conduit settings - something sitting on
the Palm client that is resending the page submit?

- somehow somewhere there is a page refresh or resync, or
echo submit that is occuring -

- one person got 16+ pages from 1 beep submission -

chris owen


Yadong Liu Posted on 2004-11-12 23:41:12.0Z
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Without knowing exactly how your system works, I am going to
just give you a few tips for debugging form submission on
Palm.

1. You may want to choose "work offline" before hitting the
submit button. So you will have your forms saved in Forms
Manager on the device. You can then view forms' status
before and after sync.

2. There are a couple of form properties you can set in your
html page. Most relevant to your situation are:
agsubmitDiscardResponse and agsubmitHidden. These two should
be set to false (default) so that form will be visible and
stay after sync in the Forms Manager. For example, you can
do:

<form action=http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search
agsubmitOffsiteLinks=false agsubmitLinkDepth=0
agsubmitDiscardResponse=false agsubmitMultiple=true
agsubmitHidden=false>

Hope this helps,

Yadong

> Hello - we are using M-Biz/Win2k to create a managed
> conduit to a web system inside our firewall - that web
> systems alows users to look-up people (phone directory)
> and send them a pager message on their beeper - the
> conduit works well and send the beep just as a user would
> from the any desktop web interface - speed of page loading
> and beep submission is not bad - the connection is don
> 'online' because of the size of the phone directory and
> the need to verify the user beeper id -
>
> - the conduit is needed because the phone directory is
> only available inside the firewall and web browsing is not
> supported outside the firewall - M-Biz make this
> connection easily -
>
> - the problem is that 1 form submission through M-Biz on
> the Treo results in the system sending 2, 3, 4 or more
> identical beeps - all with different time stamps in
> sequence -
>
> - there seems to be some echo of page reloads or cache
> reposts or wireless reconnections or something? - in facts
> , I've had echo beeps on the same message the following
> day -
>
> - any ideas? -
>
> - on the Palm M-Biz client, we've browsed away from the
> 'submit' web page, we've cleared the Palm conduit cache,
> we've looked at the conduit settings - something sitting
> on the Palm client that is resending the page submit?
>
> - somehow somewhere there is a page refresh or resync, or
> echo submit that is occuring -
>
> - one person got 16+ pages from 1 beep submission -
>
> chris owen


C Owen Posted on 2004-11-13 15:56:38.0Z
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Hello - unfortunately, I can not work offline nor is the
owner of the phone directory site willing to modify their
code -

- if I use M-Biz to navigate back to that forms page, I
immediatel get echos of old submission before clicking a new
submission -

- in M-Biz Forms Manager I see the 'look-up' web page as
'pending' from the previous M-Biz connection -

- I don't want M-Biz to save the form nor keept it in cache
- I want a fresh 'look-up' and 'submit' for each time I
navigate to it -

- is there any way in M-Biz to force this? -

> Without knowing exactly how your system works, I am going
> to just give you a few tips for debugging form submission
> on Palm.
>
> 1. You may want to choose "work offline" before hitting
> the submit button. So you will have your forms saved in
> Forms Manager on the device. You can then view forms'
> status before and after sync.
>
> 2. There are a couple of form properties you can set in
> your html page. Most relevant to your situation are:
> agsubmitDiscardResponse and agsubmitHidden. These two
> should be set to false (default) so that form will be
> visible and stay after sync in the Forms Manager. For
> example, you can do:
>
> <form action=http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search
> agsubmitOffsiteLinks=false agsubmitLinkDepth=0
> agsubmitDiscardResponse=false agsubmitMultiple=true
> agsubmitHidden=false>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Yadong
>
> > Hello - we are using M-Biz/Win2k to create a managed
> > conduit to a web system inside our firewall - that web
> > systems alows users to look-up people (phone directory)
> > and send them a pager message on their beeper - the
> > conduit works well and send the beep just as a user
> > would from the any desktop web interface - speed of page
> > loading and beep submission is not bad - the connection
> > is don 'online' because of the size of the phone
> > directory and the need to verify the user beeper id -
> >
> > - the conduit is needed because the phone directory is
> > only available inside the firewall and web browsing is
> > not supported outside the firewall - M-Biz make this
> > connection easily -
> >
> > - the problem is that 1 form submission through M-Biz on
> > the Treo results in the system sending 2, 3, 4 or more
> > identical beeps - all with different time stamps in
> > sequence -
> >
> > - there seems to be some echo of page reloads or cache
> > reposts or wireless reconnections or something? - in
> > facts , I've had echo beeps on the same message the
> > following day -
> >
> > - any ideas? -
> >
> > - on the Palm M-Biz client, we've browsed away from the
> > 'submit' web page, we've cleared the Palm conduit cache,
> > we've looked at the conduit settings - something sitting
> > on the Palm client that is resending the page submit?
> >
> > - somehow somewhere there is a page refresh or resync,
> > or echo submit that is occuring -
> >
> > - one person got 16+ pages from 1 beep submission -
> >
> > chris owen


Christopher Grim Posted on 2004-11-15 21:00:09.0Z
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If the headers are set on the page to indicate that it is expired, you can
try checking the "Go online automatically" box in the options on the device.
This tells the client to get things from the server whenever they are
expired and there is a connection. If that doesn't work, then the
Web server must be telling us that it's ok to cache. Is there any chance
that you can send the complete http header from the initial form get and the
post and the response from the server?

Chris...


On 11/13/04 7:56 AM, in article 41962eb5.479f.1681692777@sybase.com, "C

Owen" <C Owen> wrote:

> Hello - unfortunately, I can not work offline nor is the
> owner of the phone directory site willing to modify their
> code -
>
> - if I use M-Biz to navigate back to that forms page, I
> immediatel get echos of old submission before clicking a new
> submission -
>
> - in M-Biz Forms Manager I see the 'look-up' web page as
> 'pending' from the previous M-Biz connection -
>
> - I don't want M-Biz to save the form nor keept it in cache
> - I want a fresh 'look-up' and 'submit' for each time I
> navigate to it -
>
> - is there any way in M-Biz to force this? -
>
>
>> Without knowing exactly how your system works, I am going
>> to just give you a few tips for debugging form submission
>> on Palm.
>>
>> 1. You may want to choose "work offline" before hitting
>> the submit button. So you will have your forms saved in
>> Forms Manager on the device. You can then view forms'
>> status before and after sync.
>>
>> 2. There are a couple of form properties you can set in
>> your html page. Most relevant to your situation are:
>> agsubmitDiscardResponse and agsubmitHidden. These two
>> should be set to false (default) so that form will be
>> visible and stay after sync in the Forms Manager. For
>> example, you can do:
>>
>> <form action=http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search
>> agsubmitOffsiteLinks=false agsubmitLinkDepth=0
>> agsubmitDiscardResponse=false agsubmitMultiple=true
>> agsubmitHidden=false>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Yadong
>>
>>> Hello - we are using M-Biz/Win2k to create a managed
>>> conduit to a web system inside our firewall - that web
>>> systems alows users to look-up people (phone directory)
>>> and send them a pager message on their beeper - the
>>> conduit works well and send the beep just as a user
>>> would from the any desktop web interface - speed of page
>>> loading and beep submission is not bad - the connection
>>> is don 'online' because of the size of the phone
>>> directory and the need to verify the user beeper id -
>>>
>>> - the conduit is needed because the phone directory is
>>> only available inside the firewall and web browsing is
>>> not supported outside the firewall - M-Biz make this
>>> connection easily -
>>>
>>> - the problem is that 1 form submission through M-Biz on
>>> the Treo results in the system sending 2, 3, 4 or more
>>> identical beeps - all with different time stamps in
>>> sequence -
>>>
>>> - there seems to be some echo of page reloads or cache
>>> reposts or wireless reconnections or something? - in
>>> facts , I've had echo beeps on the same message the
>>> following day -
>>>
>>> - any ideas? -
>>>
>>> - on the Palm M-Biz client, we've browsed away from the
>>> 'submit' web page, we've cleared the Palm conduit cache,
>>> we've looked at the conduit settings - something sitting
>>> on the Palm client that is resending the page submit?
>>>
>>> - somehow somewhere there is a page refresh or resync,
>>> or echo submit that is occuring -
>>>
>>> - one person got 16+ pages from 1 beep submission -
>>>
>>> chris owen