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SQL Anywhere 7 Engine Qty

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Leo Scott Posted on 2005-10-27 18:51:21.0Z
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Is there a limit to the qty of engines that can run on 1 SQL Anywhere 7
server? I want to consolidate 24 databases into 1 server but they will all
have their own engine.


Breck Carter [TeamSybase] Posted on 2005-10-27 19:08:19.0Z
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Why do you want to run a separate engine for every database? That is
generally *not* recommended for performance reasons.

Breck

On 27 Oct 2005 11:51:21 -0700, "Leo Scott" <ftesting@firstteam.com>

wrote:

>Is there a limit to the qty of engines that can run on 1 SQL Anywhere 7
>server? I want to consolidate 24 databases into 1 server but they will all
>have their own engine.
>

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Joshua Savill Posted on 2005-10-28 23:16:02.0Z
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Breck,

I'm pretty sure Leo wants to run 24 databases on a single database server.
This is possible up to a maximum of 255 databases on a single database
server.

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Joshua Savill
iAnywhere Solutions - Product Support Analyst

"Breck Carter [TeamSybase]" <NOSPAM__bcarter@risingroad.com> wrote in
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> Why do you want to run a separate engine for every database? That is
> generally *not* recommended for performance reasons.
>
> Breck
>
> On 27 Oct 2005 11:51:21 -0700, "Leo Scott" <ftesting@firstteam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Is there a limit to the qty of engines that can run on 1 SQL Anywhere 7
>>server? I want to consolidate 24 databases into 1 server but they will
>>all
>>have their own engine.
>>
>
> --
> SQL Anywhere Studio 9 Developer's Guide
> Buy the book:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556225067/risingroad-20
> bcarter@risingroad.com
> RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
> www.risingroad.com


Leo Scott Posted on 2005-11-18 00:47:01.0Z
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Sorry for the delay. So many projects.

We want to consolidate 24 instances of the same application (from 24
offices) onto one server for centralized backup and administration. All
offices will then connect via Citrix client. But each office/application
needs to connect to a different engine name in order to not step on each
others databases. Does this sound doable?

Thanks.

"Joshua Savill" <jsavill@ianywhere.com> wrote in message
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> Breck,
>
> I'm pretty sure Leo wants to run 24 databases on a single database server.
> This is possible up to a maximum of 255 databases on a single database
> server.
>
> --
> Joshua Savill
> iAnywhere Solutions - Product Support Analyst
>
>
> "Breck Carter [TeamSybase]" <NOSPAM__bcarter@risingroad.com> wrote in
> message news:8r82m15umq594nhu8avfi22gconmrb0fa7@4ax.com...
>> Why do you want to run a separate engine for every database? That is
>> generally *not* recommended for performance reasons.
>>
>> Breck
>>
>> On 27 Oct 2005 11:51:21 -0700, "Leo Scott" <ftesting@firstteam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Is there a limit to the qty of engines that can run on 1 SQL Anywhere 7
>>>server? I want to consolidate 24 databases into 1 server but they will
>>>all
>>>have their own engine.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> SQL Anywhere Studio 9 Developer's Guide
>> Buy the book:
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556225067/risingroad-20
>> bcarter@risingroad.com
>> RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
>> www.risingroad.com
>
>


Breck Carter [TeamSybase] Posted on 2005-11-18 13:56:17.0Z
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You can do what Chris suggests, if you can make sure each client
connection names the proper *database name* when connecting. To make
this safer, I suggest you use random character strings as database
names to minimize the chances that a simple spelling mistake will
allow a client to connect to the wrong database.

Bad names db1, db2, ..., db20

Good names swvieisk, yqdysyaa, ..., katqqshw

Note that "server name" and "database name" are determined dynamically
at runtime. They default to the database file name, but can be
specified via the -n options.

Your performance bottleneck will be Citrix, not dbeng7.exe... I trust
you aren't hosting all the Citrix sessions on one box.

Breck

On 17 Nov 2005 16:47:01 -0800, "Leo Scott" <ftesting@firstteam.com>

wrote:

>Sorry for the delay. So many projects.
>
>We want to consolidate 24 instances of the same application (from 24
>offices) onto one server for centralized backup and administration. All
>offices will then connect via Citrix client. But each office/application
>needs to connect to a different engine name in order to not step on each
>others databases. Does this sound doable?
>
>Thanks.
>
>"Joshua Savill" <jsavill@ianywhere.com> wrote in message
>news:4362b132$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Breck,
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Leo wants to run 24 databases on a single database server.
>> This is possible up to a maximum of 255 databases on a single database
>> server.
>>
>> --
>> Joshua Savill
>> iAnywhere Solutions - Product Support Analyst
>>
>>
>> "Breck Carter [TeamSybase]" <NOSPAM__bcarter@risingroad.com> wrote in
>> message news:8r82m15umq594nhu8avfi22gconmrb0fa7@4ax.com...
>>> Why do you want to run a separate engine for every database? That is
>>> generally *not* recommended for performance reasons.
>>>
>>> Breck
>>>
>>> On 27 Oct 2005 11:51:21 -0700, "Leo Scott" <ftesting@firstteam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is there a limit to the qty of engines that can run on 1 SQL Anywhere 7
>>>>server? I want to consolidate 24 databases into 1 server but they will
>>>>all
>>>>have their own engine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> SQL Anywhere Studio 9 Developer's Guide
>>> Buy the book:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556225067/risingroad-20
>>> bcarter@risingroad.com
>>> RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
>>> www.risingroad.com
>>
>>
>

--
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Buy the book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556225067/risingroad-20
bcarter@risingroad.com
RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
www.risingroad.com


"Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions)" <NoSpamPlease_k_e_a_t_i_n_g Posted on 2005-11-18 14:18:56.0Z
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Thanks Breck. I would also recommend that you uniquely name the database
name to ensure that a typo does not cause a connection to go the the
wrong database. My example (or discussion) did not make that clear.
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Greg Fenton Posted on 2005-11-18 15:31:51.0Z
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Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions) wrote:
> Thanks Breck. I would also recommend that you uniquely name the database
> name to ensure that a typo does not cause a connection to go the the
> wrong database. My example (or discussion) did not make that clear.

On top of that, I recommend changing the userid/password of each
database so that one location does not accidentally log into another
location's db if they accidentally "discover" it.

BTW: I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for bringing all databases
to a central location. ASA is designed to run in remote locations
allowing a decentralized view of the world. If your remote loses
network connectivity to the central location, it is able to continue
working if it has a local datastore.

Backup and administration are valid concerns. But if you can describe
the challenges these offer you, we can describe various approaches
customers and OEMs have taken to reduce or completely automate such tasks.

On top of that, MobiLink Synchronization (or the older SQL Remote
technology) can be used to consolidate all remote information, apply
centralized business logic, and distribute changes to one or all
remotes. MobiLink decentralizes your database, making your overall
collection into a "distributed database".

greg.fenton
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--------
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Leo Scott Posted on 2005-11-18 21:07:41.0Z
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Thanks for the suggestions. The offices are moving to new application which
are using a different database and will eventually be using the sybase-based
apps as read only. I am unsure if the database name change will be
sufficient to allow multiples offices to be stored on one server. The
original application has a shortcut which launches the application with the
name of the engine itself in the shortcut path and the service listed in
Services shows the same name.

"Greg Fenton" <greg.fenton_NOSPAM_@ianywhere.com> wrote in message
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> Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions) wrote:
>> Thanks Breck. I would also recommend that you uniquely name the database
>> name to ensure that a typo does not cause a connection to go the the
>> wrong database. My example (or discussion) did not make that clear.
>
> On top of that, I recommend changing the userid/password of each database
> so that one location does not accidentally log into another location's db
> if they accidentally "discover" it.
>
> BTW: I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for bringing all databases
> to a central location. ASA is designed to run in remote locations allowing
> a decentralized view of the world. If your remote loses network
> connectivity to the central location, it is able to continue working if it
> has a local datastore.
>
> Backup and administration are valid concerns. But if you can describe the
> challenges these offer you, we can describe various approaches customers
> and OEMs have taken to reduce or completely automate such tasks.
>
> On top of that, MobiLink Synchronization (or the older SQL Remote
> technology) can be used to consolidate all remote information, apply
> centralized business logic, and distribute changes to one or all remotes.
> MobiLink decentralizes your database, making your overall collection into
> a "distributed database".
>
> greg.fenton
> --
> Greg Fenton
> Consultant, Solution Services, iAnywhere Solutions
> --------
> Visit the iAnywhere Solutions Developer Community
> Whitepapers, TechDocs, Downloads
> http://www.ianywhere.com/developer/


"Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions)" <NoSpamPlease_k_e_a_t_i_n_g Posted on 2005-11-18 02:21:32.0Z
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Can you simply use an unique database name for each of the 24 databases?

i.e., dbsrv7 -n <server name> <server switches>
<database filename 1> -n <database1 name> <database1 switches>
<database filename 2> -n <database2 name> <database2 switches>
...
<database filename N> -n <databaseN name> <databaseN switches>

thus allowing for a single engine while ensuring that connections won't
get crossed.

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Chris Keating
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"Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions)" <NoSpamPlease_k_e_a_t_i_n_g Posted on 2005-10-27 18:52:20.0Z
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You can run up to 255 databases on a single engine instance.

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