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Upcoming JSF Datawindow In Workspace

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msly Posted on 2005-12-02 00:03:06.0Z
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Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be availiable
from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be like Datawindow.net
and be separate?


Jonathan Baker [Sybase] Posted on 2005-12-02 23:07:54.0Z
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The JSF Datawindow will be a part of Workspace.


Jonathan

msly wrote:
> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be availiable
> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be like Datawindow.net
> and be separate?


vsv Posted on 2005-12-08 18:47:07.0Z
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What is JSF(stands for?) Datawindow?
vsv

"Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in
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> The JSF Datawindow will be a part of Workspace.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> msly wrote:
>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be availiable
>> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be like Datawindow.net
>> and be separate?


Mike Crocker Posted on 2005-12-12 18:50:10.0Z
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JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for creating web
applications. WorkSpace is just starting a beta for a WebApp plug-in which
uses JSF as the framework for creating Web Applications.

mike

"vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub...
> What is JSF(stands for?) Datawindow?
> vsv
>
> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in
> message news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub...
> > The JSF Datawindow will be a part of Workspace.
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > msly wrote:
> >> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be availiable
> >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be like Datawindow.net
> >> and be separate?
>
>


Mike Posted on 2005-12-12 21:29:31.0Z
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What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(

> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting a
> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the framework
> for creating Web Applications.
>
> mike
>
> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands for?)
> > Datawindow? vsv
> >
> > "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
> > <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
> > will be a part of Workspace. >
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > >
> > > msly wrote:
> > >> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
> > availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
> > like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
> >
> >
>
>


Jonathan Baker [Sybase] Posted on 2005-12-12 23:21:35.0Z
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Mike:

That's a good question. It's because we didn't think it would be used
by many Java developers. Our assumption is that Java is not used for a
significant amount of Client/Server development, and the Web DataWindow
will provide web support (with the HTML datawindow) without needing to
know Java. (That's the very short version, there is much more, but I'm
trying to be brief.)

We are always looking for exceptions, however, so feel free to chime in
and provide information about other uses for a DW.Java tool. Anything
we post here will be relayed to Product Management and the Architecture
groups.

Thanks,

Jonathan

mike wrote:
> What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
> If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
> plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(
>
>> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
>> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting a
>> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the framework
>> for creating Web Applications.
>>
>> mike
>>
>> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands for?)
>>> Datawindow? vsv
>>>
>>> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
>>> <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
>>> will be a part of Workspace. >
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> msly wrote:
>>>>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
>>> availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
>>> like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
>>>
>>>
>>


Mark Maslow Posted on 2005-12-18 20:02:19.0Z
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I see - so the idea of the Java DW is that it can be used by people who want
to work in a Java environment without knowing Java. Sybase marketing folks
are certainly a creative bunch.

BTW - concerning the question of what Java developers are doing in the "rich
client" space, check out this - surprised the heck out of me:

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/hansmuller/archive/2005/10/official_swing.html

"Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in
message news:439e05ff$1@forums-1-dub...
> Mike:
>
> That's a good question. It's because we didn't think it would be used by
> many Java developers. Our assumption is that Java is not used for a
> significant amount of Client/Server development, and the Web DataWindow
> will provide web support (with the HTML datawindow) without needing to
> know Java. (That's the very short version, there is much more, but I'm
> trying to be brief.)
>
> We are always looking for exceptions, however, so feel free to chime in
> and provide information about other uses for a DW.Java tool. Anything we
> post here will be relayed to Product Management and the Architecture
> groups.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> mike wrote:
>> What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
>> If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
>> plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(
>>
>>> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
>>> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting a
>>> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the framework
>>> for creating Web Applications.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands for?)
>>>> Datawindow? vsv
>>>>
>>>> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
>>>> <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
>>>> will be a part of Workspace. >
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> msly wrote:
>>>>>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
>>>> availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
>>>> like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>


Jonathan Baker [Sybase] Posted on 2005-12-19 14:06:58.0Z
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I believe the actual idea is to reduce the impact on existing PB
developers. And increase reuse in that same group.

I saw that article. And, I also saw the impact it made in the
PB.futures newsgroup. This is exactly the kind of article that
encourages Java developers, while inflaming the PB/.NET crowd. As if
the same thing, said backwards, wouldn't have the same effect. Ah,
religious wars. What fun!


Jonathan

Mark Maslow wrote:
> I see - so the idea of the Java DW is that it can be used by people who want
> to work in a Java environment without knowing Java. Sybase marketing folks
> are certainly a creative bunch.
>
> BTW - concerning the question of what Java developers are doing in the "rich
> client" space, check out this - surprised the heck out of me:
>
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/hansmuller/archive/2005/10/official_swing.html
>
>
>
> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in
> message news:439e05ff$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Mike:
>>
>> That's a good question. It's because we didn't think it would be used by
>> many Java developers. Our assumption is that Java is not used for a
>> significant amount of Client/Server development, and the Web DataWindow
>> will provide web support (with the HTML datawindow) without needing to
>> know Java. (That's the very short version, there is much more, but I'm
>> trying to be brief.)
>>
>> We are always looking for exceptions, however, so feel free to chime in
>> and provide information about other uses for a DW.Java tool. Anything we
>> post here will be relayed to Product Management and the Architecture
>> groups.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> mike wrote:
>>> What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
>>> If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
>>> plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(
>>>
>>>> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
>>>> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting a
>>>> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the framework
>>>> for creating Web Applications.
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands for?)
>>>>> Datawindow? vsv
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
>>>>> <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
>>>>> will be a part of Workspace. >
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> msly wrote:
>>>>>>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
>>>>> availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
>>>>> like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>


msly Posted on 2005-12-29 20:21:51.0Z
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I have an existing Java Server Faces application. I am using
eclipse for the IDE. I would like to be able to add a JSF
DataWindow plugin to eclipse to build data windows(that are
rendered using the JSF Framework) and use them in my JSF
application like you do in .net with .net datawindow. There
is no datagrid control in JSF to rival the datawindow. This
is a perfect place to get the average opensource Java
person on board and using a sybase tool. For now I will
build my own custom data control in JSF.

> Mike:
>
> That's a good question. It's because we didn't think it
> would be used by many Java developers. Our assumption is
> that Java is not used for a significant amount of
> Client/Server development, and the Web DataWindow will
> provide web support (with the HTML datawindow) without
> needing to know Java. (That's the very short version,
> there is much more, but I'm trying to be brief.)
>
> We are always looking for exceptions, however, so feel
> free to chime in and provide information about other uses
> for a DW.Java tool. Anything we post here will be
> relayed to Product Management and the Architecture
> groups.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> mike wrote:
> > What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
> > If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
> > plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(
> >
> >> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
> >> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting
> a >> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the
> framework >> for creating Web Applications.
> >>
> >> mike
> >>
> >> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands
> for?) >>> Datawindow? vsv
> >>>
> >>> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
> >>> <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
> >>> will be a part of Workspace. >
> >>>> Jonathan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> msly wrote:
> >>>>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
> >>> availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
> >>> like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>


Mark Maslow Posted on 2005-12-30 23:42:45.0Z
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If what you want is a datagrid, the datawindow is very good.

Most Java programmers, however, use a domain model approach, and the
datawindow in its current form is of little use when taking such an
approach.

The following gives a reasonable summary of the different approaches:

http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma/archive/2004/10/09/240225.aspx

<msly> wrote in message news:43b4455f.2244.1681692777@sybase.com...
>I have an existing Java Server Faces application. I am using
> eclipse for the IDE. I would like to be able to add a JSF
> DataWindow plugin to eclipse to build data windows(that are
> rendered using the JSF Framework) and use them in my JSF
> application like you do in .net with .net datawindow. There
> is no datagrid control in JSF to rival the datawindow. This
> is a perfect place to get the average opensource Java
> person on board and using a sybase tool. For now I will
> build my own custom data control in JSF.
>> Mike:
>>
>> That's a good question. It's because we didn't think it
>> would be used by many Java developers. Our assumption is
>> that Java is not used for a significant amount of
>> Client/Server development, and the Web DataWindow will
>> provide web support (with the HTML datawindow) without
>> needing to know Java. (That's the very short version,
>> there is much more, but I'm trying to be brief.)
>>
>> We are always looking for exceptions, however, so feel
>> free to chime in and provide information about other uses
>> for a DW.Java tool. Anything we post here will be
>> relayed to Product Management and the Architecture
>> groups.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> mike wrote:
>> > What version of workspace? Basic or the TX version?
>> > If .net has it as an add on, why not create a datawindow
>> > plugin for JSF/Eclipse environment? :(
>> >
>> >> JSF stands for Java Server Faces. It is a standard for
>> >> creating web applications. WorkSpace is just starting
>> a >> beta for a WebApp plug-in which uses JSF as the
>> framework >> for creating Web Applications.
>> >>
>> >> mike
>> >>
>> >> "vsv" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:43987d9d$1@forums-2-dub... What is JSF(stands
>> for?) >>> Datawindow? vsv
>> >>>
>> >>> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]"
>> >>> <last_name_first_initial@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:4390d3ca$1@forums-1-dub... The JSF Datawindow
>> >>> will be a part of Workspace. >
>> >>>> Jonathan
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> msly wrote:
>> >>>>> Is the upcoming JSF Datawindow only going to be
>> >>> availiable >> from the Workspace Plugin, or will it be
>> >>> like Datawindow.net >> and be separate?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>