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CiscoWorks Sybase Engine

11 posts in General Discussion Last posting was on 2006-08-22 17:14:16.0Z
Robert Noakes Posted on 2006-08-21 20:53:05.0Z
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Has anyone here connected to the Sybase Engine shipped with
CiscoWorks from a separate client? The Sybase Engine that is
shipped and installed by CiscoWorks has a unknown UserID and
Password that gets created by the Cisco's installer.


"Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions)" <NoSpamPlease_k_e_a_t_i_n_g Posted on 2006-08-21 22:26:35.0Z
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Please refrain from crossposting. See my response in the
sybase.public.sqlanywhere.general newsgroup.
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Robert Noakes Posted on 2006-08-22 04:28:34.0Z
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I will also refrain from buying your SQL iNowhere System.
I'll let the Sybase Systems Consultant know that you told me
that it is none of Sybase business to help me.

I wasn't asking for a way to bypass security - I just wanted
to know if it was possible.

> Please refrain from crossposting. See my response in the
> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.general newsgroup.
> --
>
> Chris Keating
> Sybase Adaptive Server Anywhere Professional Version 8
>
> **********************************************************
> *******************
>
> Register now for TechWave 2006 August 6-10 in Las Vegas.
> New! 2-day and 4-day options for SQL Anywhere technical
> training. Sessions will focus on data management, data
> movement, and SQL Anywhere 10. Visit
> www.sybase.com/techwave
>
>
> **********************************************************
> *******************
>
> Sign up today for your copy of the SQL Anywhere Studio 9
> Developer Edition =and try out the market-leading
> database for mobile, embedded and small to medium sized
> business environments for free!
>
> http://www.ianywhere.com/promos/deved/index.html
>
> **********************************************************
> *******************
>
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>
> ** Please only post to the newsgroup
>
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> Express to report bugs http://case-express.sybase.com
>
> **********************************************************
> *******************


Breck Carter [Team iAnywhere] Posted on 2006-08-22 10:03:19.0Z
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There is no need to take that tone. Chris' response to your
cross-posted message was correct...

>Please work with Cisco. If the direct access to the Cisco database is
>allowed by your Cisco license, they can provide you the information to
>connect. Otherwise, noone here should be exposing security credentials
>for third-party licensed software.

You say it wasn't your intent to bypass security, but I am sure you
can see how your original mention of an "unknown UserID and Password"
could be interpreted otherwise... access to a SQL Anywhere database
requires that information.

Breck

On 21 Aug 2006 21:28:34 -0700, Robert Noakes wrote:

>I will also refrain from buying your SQL iNowhere System.
>I'll let the Sybase Systems Consultant know that you told me
>that it is none of Sybase business to help me.
>
>I wasn't asking for a way to bypass security - I just wanted
>to know if it was possible.
>
>
>> Please refrain from crossposting. See my response in the
>> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.general newsgroup.
>> --
>>
>> Chris Keating
>> Sybase Adaptive Server Anywhere Professional Version 8
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> *******************
>>
>> Register now for TechWave 2006 August 6-10 in Las Vegas.
>> New! 2-day and 4-day options for SQL Anywhere technical
>> training. Sessions will focus on data management, data
>> movement, and SQL Anywhere 10. Visit
>> www.sybase.com/techwave
>>
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> *******************
>>
>> Sign up today for your copy of the SQL Anywhere Studio 9
>> Developer Edition =and try out the market-leading
>> database for mobile, embedded and small to medium sized
>> business environments for free!
>>
>> http://www.ianywhere.com/promos/deved/index.html
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> *******************
>>
>> iAnywhere Solutions http://www.iAnywhere.com
>>
>> ** Please only post to the newsgroup
>>
>> ** Whitepapers can be found at
>> http://www.iAnywhere.com/developer ** EBFs can be found at
>> http://downloads.sybase.com/swx/sdmain.stm ** Use Case
>> Express to report bugs http://case-express.sybase.com
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> *******************

--
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RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
www.risingroad.com
The book: http://www.risingroad.com/SQL_Anywhere_Studio_9_Developers_Guide.html
breck.carter@risingroad.com


Robert Noakes Posted on 2006-08-22 13:49:10.0Z
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I don't care - I am not going to purchase your product. I
have the power not you. You think you can blast people for a
simple question then you are wrong.

> There is no need to take that tone. Chris' response to
> your cross-posted message was correct...
>
> >Please work with Cisco. If the direct access to the Cisco
> database is >allowed by your Cisco license, they can
> provide you the information to >connect. Otherwise, noone
> here should be exposing security credentials >for
> third-party licensed software.
>
> You say it wasn't your intent to bypass security, but I am
> sure you can see how your original mention of an "unknown
> UserID and Password" could be interpreted otherwise...
> access to a SQL Anywhere database requires that
> information.
>
> Breck
>
> On 21 Aug 2006 21:28:34 -0700, Robert Noakes wrote:
>
> >I will also refrain from buying your SQL iNowhere System.
> >I'll let the Sybase Systems Consultant know that you told
> me >that it is none of Sybase business to help me.
> >
> >I wasn't asking for a way to bypass security - I just
> wanted >to know if it was possible.
> >
> >
> >> Please refrain from crossposting. See my response in
> the >> sybase.public.sqlanywhere.general newsgroup.
> >> --
> >>
> >> Chris Keating
> >> Sybase Adaptive Server Anywhere Professional Version 8
> >>
> >>
> **********************************************************
> >> ******************* >>
> >> Register now for TechWave 2006 August 6-10 in Las
> Vegas. >> New! 2-day and 4-day options for SQL Anywhere
> technical >> training. Sessions will focus on data
> management, data >> movement, and SQL Anywhere 10. Visit
> >> www.sybase.com/techwave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> **********************************************************
> >> ******************* >>
> >> Sign up today for your copy of the SQL Anywhere Studio
> 9 >> Developer Edition =and try out the market-leading
> >> database for mobile, embedded and small to medium
> sized >> business environments for free!
> >>
> >> http://www.ianywhere.com/promos/deved/index.html
> >>
> >>
> **********************************************************
> >> ******************* >>
> >> iAnywhere Solutions http://www.iAnywhere.com
> >>
> >> ** Please only post to the newsgroup
> >>
> >> ** Whitepapers can be found at
> >> http://www.iAnywhere.com/developer ** EBFs can be found
> at >> http://downloads.sybase.com/swx/sdmain.stm ** Use
> Case >> Express to report bugs
> http://case-express.sybase.com >>
> >>
> **********************************************************
> >> *******************
>
> --
> Breck Carter [Team iAnywhere]
> RisingRoad SQL Anywhere and MobiLink Professional Services
> www.risingroad.com
> The book:
>
http://www.risingroad.com/SQL_Anywhere_Studio_9_Developers_Guide.html
> breck.carter@risingroad.com


"Chris Keating(iAnywhere Solutions)" <NoSpamPlease_k_e_a_t_i_n_g Posted on 2006-08-22 14:29:46.0Z
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No-one in this forum was intending to 'blast people'. I apologize if
that was how it appeared.

My intent was simply to point you to Cisco as they can answer your
specific question correctly and in context to the specifics of your
licensing of Cisco software. Sybase is not able to answer this question
nor can the user community who work these forums.





--

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** Please only post to the newsgroup

** Whitepapers can be found at http://www.iAnywhere.com/developer
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*****************************************************************************


Greg Fenton Posted on 2006-08-22 14:42:26.0Z
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Robert Noakes wrote:
> I don't care - I am not going to purchase your product. I
> have the power not you. You think you can blast people for a
> simple question then you are wrong.
>

Cisco license the software to use in *their* product. It is up to Cisco
to decide whether *they* want end-users accessing the database. For
iAnywhere/Sybase (or anyone else for that matter) to help people go
against Cisco's desires would be wrong both morally and legally.

BTW: you would not be purchasing a Sybase product...you would be
purchasing a Cisco product. Thus the reason that people recommend you
go ask Cisco.

g.f
--
Greg Fenton
Some Random Dude


Robert Noakes Posted on 2006-08-22 16:26:38.0Z
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So you say Cisco owns Sybase. So if we replaced MS SQL with
Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise (ASE) we would buy it from
Cisco. Sounds wrong to me, but your the expert. With experts
like you, it is good to buy Microsoft.

> Robert Noakes wrote:
> > I don't care - I am not going to purchase your product.
> > I have the power not you. You think you can blast people
> > for a simple question then you are wrong.
> >
>
> Cisco license the software to use in *their* product. It
> is up to Cisco to decide whether *they* want end-users
> accessing the database. For iAnywhere/Sybase (or anyone
> else for that matter) to help people go against Cisco's
> desires would be wrong both morally and legally.
>
> BTW: you would not be purchasing a Sybase product...you
> would be purchasing a Cisco product. Thus the reason
> that people recommend you go ask Cisco.
>
> g.f
> --
> Greg Fenton
> Some Random Dude


Greg Fenton Posted on 2006-08-22 16:59:08.0Z
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Robert Noakes wrote:
> So you say Cisco owns Sybase. So if we replaced MS SQL with
> Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise (ASE) we would buy it from
> Cisco. Sounds wrong to me, but your the expert. With experts
> like you, it is good to buy Microsoft.

From your O.P.:

"...the Sybase Engine shipped with CiscoWorks..."

g.f
--
Greg Fenton
Some Random Dude


Nick Elson Posted on 2006-08-22 17:12:29.0Z
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> So you say Cisco owns Sybase.

Obviously not!

In fact we (all of us on this thread) are all here trying
to help you as much as is humanly and legally possible.

We also understand your frustration but can only
do what if feasible given the starting 'package' you
are working with.


The facts are simply these:

You own your data!

You bought the Cisco product.

That is your data and your legal rights to have access to
that! iAnywhere/Sybase will always fully support you in
that regard! If you chose to no longer operate with the
Cisco software and cannot access 'your information' we
may be able to help you in doing so. If this is your
real requirement contact customer service immediately
and someone can help you.

But if you need the Cisco software to continue to perform
the functions it provide then you need to contact Cisco
for assistance in this regard.

<Robert Noakes> wrote in message news:44eb303e.5923.1681692777@sybase.com...
> So you say Cisco owns Sybase. So if we replaced MS SQL with
> Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise (ASE) we would buy it from
> Cisco. Sounds wrong to me, but your the expert. With experts
> like you, it is good to buy Microsoft.
>
>> Robert Noakes wrote:
>> > I don't care - I am not going to purchase your product.
>> > I have the power not you. You think you can blast people
>> > for a simple question then you are wrong.
>> >
>>
>> Cisco license the software to use in *their* product. It
>> is up to Cisco to decide whether *they* want end-users
>> accessing the database. For iAnywhere/Sybase (or anyone
>> else for that matter) to help people go against Cisco's
>> desires would be wrong both morally and legally.
>>
>> BTW: you would not be purchasing a Sybase product...you
>> would be purchasing a Cisco product. Thus the reason
>> that people recommend you go ask Cisco.
>>
>> g.f
>> --
>> Greg Fenton
>> Some Random Dude


Nick Elson Posted on 2006-08-22 17:14:16.0Z
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> But if you need the Cisco software to continue to perform
> the functions it provide then you need to contact Cisco
> for assistance in this regard.

... and if this is your need, we will actively support Cisco if
they have any issues with this that needs our assistance too.

"Nick Elson" <no_span_nicelson@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:44eb3afd$1@forums-1-dub...
>> So you say Cisco owns Sybase.
>
> Obviously not!
>
> In fact we (all of us on this thread) are all here trying
> to help you as much as is humanly and legally possible.
>
> We also understand your frustration but can only
> do what if feasible given the starting 'package' you
> are working with.
>
>
> The facts are simply these:
>
> You own your data!
>
> You bought the Cisco product.
>
> That is your data and your legal rights to have access to
> that! iAnywhere/Sybase will always fully support you in
> that regard! If you chose to no longer operate with the
> Cisco software and cannot access 'your information' we
> may be able to help you in doing so. If this is your
> real requirement contact customer service immediately
> and someone can help you.
>
> But if you need the Cisco software to continue to perform
> the functions it provide then you need to contact Cisco
> for assistance in this regard.
>
>
>
>
> <Robert Noakes> wrote in message
> news:44eb303e.5923.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> So you say Cisco owns Sybase. So if we replaced MS SQL with
>> Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise (ASE) we would buy it from
>> Cisco. Sounds wrong to me, but your the expert. With experts
>> like you, it is good to buy Microsoft.
>>
>>> Robert Noakes wrote:
>>> > I don't care - I am not going to purchase your product.
>>> > I have the power not you. You think you can blast people
>>> > for a simple question then you are wrong.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Cisco license the software to use in *their* product. It
>>> is up to Cisco to decide whether *they* want end-users
>>> accessing the database. For iAnywhere/Sybase (or anyone
>>> else for that matter) to help people go against Cisco's
>>> desires would be wrong both morally and legally.
>>>
>>> BTW: you would not be purchasing a Sybase product...you
>>> would be purchasing a Cisco product. Thus the reason
>>> that people recommend you go ask Cisco.
>>>
>>> g.f
>>> --
>>> Greg Fenton
>>> Some Random Dude
>
>