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Opensource

8 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2007-06-16 18:38:25.0Z
Alberto da Silva Posted on 2007-04-19 20:08:42.0Z
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Do like Sun and open source.


Sherlock, Kevin Posted on 2007-04-19 20:17:21.0Z
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???

"Alberto da Silva" <Alberto.daSilva@rmb.co.za> wrote in message
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> Do like Sun and open source.


"Paul Horan[TeamSybase]" Posted on 2007-04-20 19:23:59.0Z
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"Alberto da Silva" <Alberto.daSilva@rmb.co.za> wrote in message
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> Do like Sun and open source.

Don't you mean "do like Sun and watch your stock price lose 90% of its value
in 5 years??

Paul Horan[TeamSybase]


Jason L. Froebe Posted on 2007-05-13 20:01:53.0Z
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"Paul Horan[TeamSybase]" <phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote:

> "Alberto da Silva" <Alberto.daSilva@rmb.co.za> wrote in message
> news:4627cc4a@forums-1-dub...
>> Do like Sun and open source.
>
> Don't you mean "do like Sun and watch your stock price lose 90% of its
> value in 5 years??
>
> Paul Horan[TeamSybase]

that's a bit harsh. Letting everyone see the source code of Solaris had
absolutely nothing to do with Sun's stock price. If you remember, Sun
suffered very badly (as did many other hardware companies - i.e. Cisco)
during the dot com burst. They had billions in excess hardware. Sun came
very very close to going under.

AFAIK, Sybase isn't against open source as they did open up Watcom C++ a few
years back.
--
Jason L. Froebe

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WebBlog http://jfroebe.livejournal.com
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Alberto da Silva Posted on 2007-06-12 21:32:25.0Z
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This forum is about "futures discussion".

I was suggesting that Sybase open source some or all of ASE.

Sybase ASE market share has shrunk so much that it's a minor
player with < 3% of the DB market
http://www.google.com/search?q=sybase+market+share

There are many parts of ASE that could easily be improved by
the community.

Open source lets new *smarter* people improve the product.

"Innovation Happens Elsewhere - [Bill Joy, 2003]"
http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/opensolaris-intro-by-numbers-notes.pdf
http://dreamsongs.com/IHE/

If you look on ISUG, there are a number of long outstanding requests
that just don't get done - simple example: readline in isql on
Unix/Linux is more that a decade old request.
If isql was opensource, then it would have been enhanced.

Solaris had the same issues as Sybase - long outstanding
issues that never seemed to get address - OpenSolaris changed that.
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/metrics/week_52_stats/
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/dp/nevada_at_37.pdf
Oldest bug fixed was from 2/2/1994.

Perhaps as a start, Sybase should opensource Sybase Central,
ribbo, jisql, isql, bcp, ddlgen, sybmigrate, etc.
Most of these could easily be improved and many of them are
half baked.

Hope this message gets through.

Alberto

Jason L. Froebe wrote:
> "Paul Horan[TeamSybase]" <phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote:
>
>> "Alberto da Silva" <Alberto.daSilva@rmb.co.za> wrote in message
>> news:4627cc4a@forums-1-dub...
>>> Do like Sun and open source.
>> Don't you mean "do like Sun and watch your stock price lose 90% of its
>> value in 5 years??
>>
>> Paul Horan[TeamSybase]
>
> that's a bit harsh. Letting everyone see the source code of Solaris had
> absolutely nothing to do with Sun's stock price. If you remember, Sun
> suffered very badly (as did many other hardware companies - i.e. Cisco)
> during the dot com burst. They had billions in excess hardware. Sun came
> very very close to going under.
>
> AFAIK, Sybase isn't against open source as they did open up Watcom C++ a few
> years back.


Michael Peppler Posted on 2007-06-13 04:34:14.0Z
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:32:25 -0700, Alberto da Silva wrote:

>
> If you look on ISUG, there are a number of long outstanding requests
> that just don't get done - simple example: readline in isql on
> Unix/Linux is more that a decade old request.
> If isql was opensource, then it would have been enhanced.
>

Well - we have sqsh for that...

Michael
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Alberto da Silva Posted on 2007-06-13 05:32:18.0Z
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Thanks,

Proves the point - "Innovation Happens Elsewhere"

sqsh is a far better than isql.

Alberto

Michael Peppler wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:32:25 -0700, Alberto da Silva wrote:
>
>> If you look on ISUG, there are a number of long outstanding requests
>> that just don't get done - simple example: readline in isql on
>> Unix/Linux is more that a decade old request.
>> If isql was opensource, then it would have been enhanced.
>>
>
> Well - we have sqsh for that...
>
> Michael


Jason L. Froebe Posted on 2007-06-16 18:38:25.0Z
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Hi Alberto,

I don't disagree with you except on the market share. It is all smoke and
mirrors:

Anthony Mandic pointed us to "Gartner Group: How DBMS market share is
computed":
http://froebe.net/blog/2007/01/07/gartner-group-how-dbms-market-share-is-computed/

============
Gartner Dataquest’s Software research group has traditionally measured
market share in terms of new license revenue. However, due to the emergence
and increasing popularity of open-source software and buyer consumption
models such as hosted and subscription offerings, Gartner has moved to
measure market share in terms of total software revenue which includes
revenue generated from new license, updates, subscriptions and hosting,
technical support and maintenance. Professional services and hardware
revenue are not included in total software revenue. — Gartner Group

The way that market share has been determined varied greatly on which
research group you asked. Years ago, the computation might have been
stacked to one vendor or another depending on whom is paying for the study.
There were allegations of data manipulation by the Gartner Group when the
DOJ vs Microsoft trial was going on regarding the feasibility studies of
Linux vs Microsoft Windows for the enterprise. Thankfully, the days of
buying the results that you want are mostly behind us due to people asking
the question, "Exactly who paid for the study?"

Alberto da Silva wrote:
> Sybase ASE market share has shrunk so much that it's a minor
> player with < 3% of the DB market
> http://www.google.com/search?q=sybase+market+share
>

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