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Appeon vs PB11 .NET deploy

5 posts in ,  General Discussion Appeon (partner product) Last posting was on 2007-06-22 00:53:39.0Z
Chris Vansant Posted on 2007-06-21 17:45:02.0Z
From: "Chris Vansant" <chris.vansant@eds.com>
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I will be moving our c/s PB app to the web in the upcoming year. I have
looked at Appeon and feel that it will be able to convert our existing code
with little or no changes. Today I was reading a bit about the new PB 11
release. From initial review it appears that I may also be able to, with a
few changes, deploy to .NET to move my app to the Web.

The issue: my customer needs to know (yesterday, of course), which he needs
to reserve funds for. An Appeon deployment will be really expensive based
upon our end user deployment vs PB 11 which appears to only be the cost of
the upgrade (currently using 10). Both seem to have the same level of
development effort (very little), what is the difference in the options?
Why would someone use Appeon vs PB 11? Are there any documents, white
papers, etc. discussing the differences between these two migration paths?

Chris


Jim O'Neil [Sybase] Posted on 2007-06-21 18:53:22.0Z
From: "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com>
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Subject: Re: Appeon vs PB11 .NET deploy
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There are some differences in terms of architecture and capabilities
between Appeon and PowerBuilder 11 that may or may not be important
given your end-user and IT requirements. Here are a few items that
may help you further

1. Both Appeon and PB 11 support only IE as a client browser.

2. Both Appeon and PB 11 leverage your existing PowerBuilder
investment and allow you to continue to develop and maintain your
applications using PowerBuilder.

3. PB 11 is a pure thin-client solution. Appeon has a pure
thin-client option as well as a one-time install client-side ActiveX
option - the latter is generally recommended.

4. With the client-side ActiveX version, Appeon supports more
features than PowerBuilder 11 (e.g., drag and drop)

5. Appeon preserves the client server, end-user experience more
faithfully than PowerBuilder 11 - although both do quite a good job at
the rendering.

6. Appeon uses Sybase's EAServer as a deployment platform,
PowerBuilder uses IIS.

7. Appeon's scalability is documented at about 70-100 users per CPU,
whereas PowerBuilder 11's scalability is dependent upon the nature of
the application and hardware scaling via Web Farms.

8. Appeon has more development time support for identifying features
that are unsupported or could be a bottleneck (e.g., 'heavy windows')

9. Appeon support incremental builds, currently PowerBuilder 11 does
not (when deploying .NET applications), but it is planned for a point
release.

Feel free to contact me via e-mail and we can discuss this further in
light of your specific application requirements.

On 21 Jun 2007 10:45:02 -0700, "Chris Vansant"

<chris.vansant@eds.com> wrote:

>I will be moving our c/s PB app to the web in the upcoming year. I have
>looked at Appeon and feel that it will be able to convert our existing code
>with little or no changes. Today I was reading a bit about the new PB 11
>release. From initial review it appears that I may also be able to, with a
>few changes, deploy to .NET to move my app to the Web.
>
>The issue: my customer needs to know (yesterday, of course), which he needs
>to reserve funds for. An Appeon deployment will be really expensive based
>upon our end user deployment vs PB 11 which appears to only be the cost of
>the upgrade (currently using 10). Both seem to have the same level of
>development effort (very little), what is the difference in the options?
>Why would someone use Appeon vs PB 11? Are there any documents, white
>papers, etc. discussing the differences between these two migration paths?
>
>Chris
>


Mark Maslow Posted on 2007-06-21 23:14:25.0Z
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In article <llgl73p9psf0r22fqumgeb09tq132akl8a@4ax.com>,
joneil@sybase.com says...

> There are some differences in terms of architecture and capabilities
> between Appeon and PowerBuilder 11 that may or may not be important
> given your end-user and IT requirements. Here are a few items that
> may help you further
>
> 1. Both Appeon and PB 11 support only IE as a client browser.
>

That's interesting. What is it about web form applications generated
with PB 11 that create a dependency on IE as the client browser?


Jim O'Neil [Sybase] Posted on 2007-06-22 00:53:39.0Z
From: "Jim O'Neil [Sybase]" <joneil@sybase.com>
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THe IE Web Controls that render the advanced controls (tabs, treeview,
etc.) and there are also aspects of the datawindow implementation that
don't work (or don't work well) on IE.

On 21 Jun 2007 16:14:25 -0700, Mark Maslow

<NOmark.maslow@sierraclub.orgSPAM> wrote:

>In article <llgl73p9psf0r22fqumgeb09tq132akl8a@4ax.com>,
>joneil@sybase.com says...
>> There are some differences in terms of architecture and capabilities
>> between Appeon and PowerBuilder 11 that may or may not be important
>> given your end-user and IT requirements. Here are a few items that
>> may help you further
>>
>> 1. Both Appeon and PB 11 support only IE as a client browser.
>>
>
>That's interesting. What is it about web form applications generated
>with PB 11 that create a dependency on IE as the client browser?


Terry Voth [TeamSybase] Posted on 2007-06-21 19:12:49.0Z
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I found this very interesting, thanks! I'll jump in and clarify one
question that I had asked earlier in the year: Appeon runs on app
servers other than EAServer (both J2EE and .NET), but Sybase only
supports installations on EAServer. To get support on other app servers,
you have to go directly to Appeon.

Other points to consider are the maturity of the solutions and
companies. Appeon has been around several years, but the company's life
span pretty much matches the product, AFAIK. This is the first release
of PB's .NET WebForms solution, although PowerBuilder has been around
much longer. Sybase is a publicly traded company (I'm not sure about
Appeon), so its state of financial health can be verified from public
records. You'd hope neither company will disappear tomorrow, but with
Sybase you can verify that hunch. <g>

Good luck,

Terry [TeamSybase] and Sequel the techno-kitten

Jim O'Neil [Sybase] wrote:
> There are some differences in terms of architecture and capabilities
> between Appeon and PowerBuilder 11 that may or may not be important
> given your end-user and IT requirements. Here are a few items that
> may help you further
>
> 1. Both Appeon and PB 11 support only IE as a client browser.
>
> 2. Both Appeon and PB 11 leverage your existing PowerBuilder
> investment and allow you to continue to develop and maintain your
> applications using PowerBuilder.
>
> 3. PB 11 is a pure thin-client solution. Appeon has a pure
> thin-client option as well as a one-time install client-side ActiveX
> option - the latter is generally recommended.
>
> 4. With the client-side ActiveX version, Appeon supports more
> features than PowerBuilder 11 (e.g., drag and drop)
>
> 5. Appeon preserves the client server, end-user experience more
> faithfully than PowerBuilder 11 - although both do quite a good job at
> the rendering.
>
> 6. Appeon uses Sybase's EAServer as a deployment platform,
> PowerBuilder uses IIS.
>
> 7. Appeon's scalability is documented at about 70-100 users per CPU,
> whereas PowerBuilder 11's scalability is dependent upon the nature of
> the application and hardware scaling via Web Farms.
>
> 8. Appeon has more development time support for identifying features
> that are unsupported or could be a bottleneck (e.g., 'heavy windows')
>
> 9. Appeon support incremental builds, currently PowerBuilder 11 does
> not (when deploying .NET applications), but it is planned for a point
> release.
>
> Feel free to contact me via e-mail and we can discuss this further in
> light of your specific application requirements.
>
> On 21 Jun 2007 10:45:02 -0700, "Chris Vansant"
> <chris.vansant@eds.com> wrote:
>
>> I will be moving our c/s PB app to the web in the upcoming year. I have
>> looked at Appeon and feel that it will be able to convert our existing code
>> with little or no changes. Today I was reading a bit about the new PB 11
>> release. From initial review it appears that I may also be able to, with a
>> few changes, deploy to .NET to move my app to the Web.
>>
>> The issue: my customer needs to know (yesterday, of course), which he needs
>> to reserve funds for. An Appeon deployment will be really expensive based
>> upon our end user deployment vs PB 11 which appears to only be the cost of
>> the upgrade (currently using 10). Both seem to have the same level of
>> development effort (very little), what is the difference in the options?
>> Why would someone use Appeon vs PB 11? Are there any documents, white
>> papers, etc. discussing the differences between these two migration paths?
>>
>> Chris
>>

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