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PDF generator License

7 posts in Commercial ISV's Last posting was on 2008-03-27 12:41:56.0Z
M. Searer Posted on 2008-02-01 17:02:22.0Z
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Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in your app
you have to either:
1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone posted in
another ng)
2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know that does
this for paid software.
3) license a different PDF generator

I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option - customers
expect the install program to install everything and it makes the software look
non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3 is that it does prevent
you from using the generic saveas function.

I am curious as to what others have done.


GW Posted on 2008-02-01 19:21:22.0Z
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I initially ran gs thru pb and the quality sucked. Can't remember what
version of gs but the graphs were not rendering correctly particularily in
the labels and legends etc. I'm sure it's better but what I did at the time
was abolish that deploy method and had my clients download a 3rd party PDF
tool of choice(most have gone with cutepdf as it's my preference as well).
Inside my app I offer an alternate "Print to PDF" button underneath the
standard "Print" button that calls it directly. The minor downfall is they
have to initially go into the setup area for each box and save the name of
the tool in their ini file, but after that it's clear sailing.
I have not had a complaint yet about the way it's handled and not one
complaint about cutepdf either. I guess my clients don't care if it's 3rd
party as long as it all works consistently.

Greg

"M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in
> your app you have to either:
> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone
> posted in another ng)
> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know
> that does this for paid software.
> 3) license a different PDF generator
>
> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes
> the software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3
> is that it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>
> I am curious as to what others have done.
>
>
>


Clive Collie Posted on 2008-02-07 16:14:10.0Z
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My companies number one feature request for a future version of PB is native
built in Save As PDF. This is above .NET capabilities or ORM or any of these
big things; it would be that useful. We use Amyuni but it is a pain to
redistribute and with various levels of lock down on client systems we
sometimes have support headaches to make it work. The printer driver route
is basically messy. PDF export is essential for any serious report writer
these days. Though to complicate things there is now also the MS version
(XPS docs) and it would be nice to save in Word format too but PDF would do
nicely as a start.

"M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in
> your app you have to either:
> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone
> posted in another ng)
> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know
> that does this for paid software.
> 3) license a different PDF generator
>
> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes
> the software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3
> is that it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>
> I am curious as to what others have done.
>
>


Roland Smith [TeamSybase] Posted on 2008-02-09 00:47:18.0Z
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I agree. They licensed the Rich Text control from another company for 10.5.
It would be better if they had licensed code from Amyuni to build the
feature in.

"Clive Collie" <clive_doesnt_like_spam@dillistone.com> wrote in message
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> My companies number one feature request for a future version of PB is
> native built in Save As PDF. This is above .NET capabilities or ORM or any
> of these big things; it would be that useful. We use Amyuni but it is a
> pain to redistribute and with various levels of lock down on client
> systems we sometimes have support headaches to make it work. The printer
> driver route is basically messy. PDF export is essential for any serious
> report writer these days. Though to complicate things there is now also
> the MS version (XPS docs) and it would be nice to save in Word format too
> but PDF would do nicely as a start.
>
>
> "M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:47a3509e@forums-1-dub...
>> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in
>> your app you have to either:
>> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone
>> posted in another ng)
>> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know
>> that does this for paid software.
>> 3) license a different PDF generator
>>
>> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
>> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes
>> the software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3
>> is that it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>>
>> I am curious as to what others have done.
>>
>>
>
>


M. Searer Posted on 2008-03-26 14:59:40.0Z
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Clive, have you added this to the isug enhancements?
I bet it would get a lot of 'not needed' votes, but I agree that a native pdf
that doesn't go through a print driver would be loads better. The lockdown
issue is only getting worse with vista.

I am disappointed that sybase didn't just license it from amyuni to begin with
since amyuni has always been (imo) a pb supporter.

"Clive Collie" <clive_doesnt_like_spam@dillistone.com> wrote in message
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> My companies number one feature request for a future version of PB is native
> built in Save As PDF. This is above .NET capabilities or ORM or any of these
> big things; it would be that useful. We use Amyuni but it is a pain to
> redistribute and with various levels of lock down on client systems we
> sometimes have support headaches to make it work. The printer driver route is
> basically messy. PDF export is essential for any serious report writer these
> days. Though to complicate things there is now also the MS version (XPS docs)
> and it would be nice to save in Word format too but PDF would do nicely as a
> start.
>
>
> "M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:47a3509e@forums-1-dub...
>> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in your
>> app you have to either:
>> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone posted
>> in another ng)
>> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know that
>> does this for paid software.
>> 3) license a different PDF generator
>>
>> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
>> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes the
>> software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3 is that
>> it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>>
>> I am curious as to what others have done.
>>
>>
>
>


Clive Collie Posted on 2008-03-27 09:22:56.0Z
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I actually suggested it face to face with David Fish and other guys from
Sybase in London recently. They are being understandably vague about what
will go into PB12 and only have a list of maybes at the moment. I think
they understood the requirement so I am hopeful that maybe it will go on the
maybe list along wit some other common export types like the new XPS that
comes with Vista.

Clive

"M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Clive, have you added this to the isug enhancements?
> I bet it would get a lot of 'not needed' votes, but I agree that a native
> pdf that doesn't go through a print driver would be loads better. The
> lockdown issue is only getting worse with vista.
>
> I am disappointed that sybase didn't just license it from amyuni to begin
> with since amyuni has always been (imo) a pb supporter.
>
> "Clive Collie" <clive_doesnt_like_spam@dillistone.com> wrote in message
> news:47ab2e52$1@forums-1-dub...
>> My companies number one feature request for a future version of PB is
>> native built in Save As PDF. This is above .NET capabilities or ORM or
>> any of these big things; it would be that useful. We use Amyuni but it is
>> a pain to redistribute and with various levels of lock down on client
>> systems we sometimes have support headaches to make it work. The printer
>> driver route is basically messy. PDF export is essential for any serious
>> report writer these days. Though to complicate things there is now also
>> the MS version (XPS docs) and it would be nice to save in Word format too
>> but PDF would do nicely as a start.
>>
>>
>> "M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a3509e@forums-1-dub...
>>> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in
>>> your app you have to either:
>>> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone
>>> posted in another ng)
>>> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know
>>> that does this for paid software.
>>> 3) license a different PDF generator
>>>
>>> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
>>> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes
>>> the software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option 3
>>> is that it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>>>
>>> I am curious as to what others have done.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Derek Asirvadem Posted on 2008-03-27 12:41:56.0Z
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On 2008-02-02 04:02:22 +1100, "M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> said:

> Since Sybase uses 'free' Ghostscript, in order to generate PDF files in
> your app you have to either:
> 1) license ghostscript (I didn't know this was an option until someone
> posted in another ng)
> 2) force your users to download gs: sybase is the only company I know
> that does this for paid software.
> 3) license a different PDF generator
>
> I took option 3 (amyuni's great product). # 2 IMO is not an option -
> customers expect the install program to install everything and it makes
> the software look non-professional otherwise. The problem with option
> 3 is that it does prevent you from using the generic saveas function.
>
> I am curious as to what others have done.

(Tongue in cheek)

You could use a Mac (or Solaris, where I have seen the same). For
years we have had:
• "Save as PDF" from the std print dialogue box (ie. any app)
• "Export as " in a variety of orms including PDF from the gruntier
apps (this lets you set a slew of options: canvas size; borders;
transparency; scale).

In four or five years, after two or three h/w upgrades and two Windoze
upgrades, it will appear as a "new" feature.

Anyway, the point is, it should be part of the "o/s" (not suggesting
Windoze is an o/s) not part of ASE or PB.
--
Regards
Derek Asirvadem
Director / Senior Sybase DBA / Information Architect
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