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Datawindow on the Web

7 posts in DataWindow Last posting was on 2009-06-21 00:45:34.0Z
Shawn Posted on 2009-06-13 15:26:39.0Z
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We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder 11.5 for
some services we're planning to make available via browser
interface over the web.

I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a company
that was going to look at what we had and quote a price to
have it ported over to a website. When I found out their
development platform is .Net and C# I cancelled the meeting.
With that thought in mind this morning I realized I may
just be able to use Datawindow .Net to captitalize on our
datawindows and save a lot of cost and effort in entirely
rewriting our prototype in website form.

Are there any documents out there that gives me the range of
options that I have vs just doing a complete rewrite in a
web development platform?

As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never realistically
seen that as an option. We could do an entire rewrite of
the PB 11.5 prototype application we have in another
web-friendly platform. I'm especially curious to know if
there's some middle-ground option that specifically lets us
deliver our datawindows and eachs' capabilities to the web
in say .Net or preferably C#.

Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6 data-driven specific
to
logged-in user
My Webserver Operating System: Linux
My Webserver: Apache
My restrictions: no EAServer
Do we have Windows servers in house that we could use if a
hybrid approach exists? YES

Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,
Shawn


Shawn Posted on 2009-06-13 17:22:09.0Z
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I'm still plugging away at this so as I'm learning more
things. I figured I'd post follow ups to help limit the
scope of the discussion. First off, it appears WinForms
could be an option BUT I've read the limitations (and lack
of advancement) of this option going forward so this route
is out.

Aside from the ease at which the datawindow accesses and
updates data, I have at least one datawindow that has a lot
of embedded properties that control enabling, disabling and
coloring fields on the screen (based on lets say checkboxes
being checked or unchecked). Are capabilities such as these
that we've become used to having available through
Powerbuilder Applications also extended into the .Net
Datawindow environment? If the datawindow that gets
extended in the .Net implementation just handles data
retrieval/updates and very basic, static presentation
capabilities then I'm not sure looking for a solution that
utilizes our prototyped datawindows on the web is right for
us.

Again, just trying to guide the discussion as best as
possible. From what I know of the PB12 enhancements
planned, it sounds like it would be great if these needs
could wait until PB12's release but they can't. Oh well,
another example of having to work within the limitations
currently in place.

Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks in
advance!

Shawn

> We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder 11.5
> for some services we're planning to make available via
> browser interface over the web.
>
> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a company
> that was going to look at what we had and quote a price to
> have it ported over to a website. When I found out their
> development platform is .Net and C# I cancelled the
> meeting.
> With that thought in mind this morning I realized I may
> just be able to use Datawindow .Net to captitalize on our
> datawindows and save a lot of cost and effort in entirely
> rewriting our prototype in website form.
>
> Are there any documents out there that gives me the range
> of options that I have vs just doing a complete rewrite in
> a web development platform?
>
> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
> realistically seen that as an option. We could do an
> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype application we
> have in another web-friendly platform. I'm especially
> curious to know if there's some middle-ground option that
> specifically lets us deliver our datawindows and eachs'
> capabilities to the web in say .Net or preferably C#.
>
> Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6 data-driven specific
> to
> logged-in user
> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
> My Webserver: Apache
> My restrictions: no EAServer
> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could use if a
> hybrid approach exists? YES
>
> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove Posted on 2009-06-15 12:55:44.0Z
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I would definitely consider Datawindow.NET for this purpose. Your
developers code in Visual Studio, and the data access/presentation layer is
the datawindow.
FYI: with VS2005 you can use the Datawindow Designer as a direct plugin.
With VS2008, you have to run the separate Designer application to create the
datawindows.

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/

<Shawn> wrote in message news:4a33e041.3bec.1681692777@sybase.com...
> I'm still plugging away at this so as I'm learning more
> things. I figured I'd post follow ups to help limit the
> scope of the discussion. First off, it appears WinForms
> could be an option BUT I've read the limitations (and lack
> of advancement) of this option going forward so this route
> is out.
>
> Aside from the ease at which the datawindow accesses and
> updates data, I have at least one datawindow that has a lot
> of embedded properties that control enabling, disabling and
> coloring fields on the screen (based on lets say checkboxes
> being checked or unchecked). Are capabilities such as these
> that we've become used to having available through
> Powerbuilder Applications also extended into the .Net
> Datawindow environment? If the datawindow that gets
> extended in the .Net implementation just handles data
> retrieval/updates and very basic, static presentation
> capabilities then I'm not sure looking for a solution that
> utilizes our prototyped datawindows on the web is right for
> us.
>
> Again, just trying to guide the discussion as best as
> possible. From what I know of the PB12 enhancements
> planned, it sounds like it would be great if these needs
> could wait until PB12's release but they can't. Oh well,
> another example of having to work within the limitations
> currently in place.
>
> Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks in
> advance!
>
> Shawn
>
>> We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder 11.5
>> for some services we're planning to make available via
>> browser interface over the web.
>>
>> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a company
>> that was going to look at what we had and quote a price to
>> have it ported over to a website. When I found out their
>> development platform is .Net and C# I cancelled the
>> meeting.
>> With that thought in mind this morning I realized I may
>> just be able to use Datawindow .Net to captitalize on our
>> datawindows and save a lot of cost and effort in entirely
>> rewriting our prototype in website form.
>>
>> Are there any documents out there that gives me the range
>> of options that I have vs just doing a complete rewrite in
>> a web development platform?
>>
>> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
>> realistically seen that as an option. We could do an
>> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype application we
>> have in another web-friendly platform. I'm especially
>> curious to know if there's some middle-ground option that
>> specifically lets us deliver our datawindows and eachs'
>> capabilities to the web in say .Net or preferably C#.
>>
>> Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6 data-driven specific
>> to
>> logged-in user
>> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
>> My Webserver: Apache
>> My restrictions: no EAServer
>> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could use if a
>> hybrid approach exists? YES
>>
>> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shawn


Shawn Posted on 2009-06-16 21:11:45.0Z
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Is the code in the PBL one in the same? In other words, can
I use the datawindows that I've already created for my
prototype Powerbuilder application and have those port right
over and into Visual Studio for development OR are they not
portable?

In addition to utilizing the investment I've already made in
some of my datawindows, I'm trying to figure out if I can do
some of the work of creating additional datawindows in the
future (since PB is what I know and do best) and make them
available for whoever is doing the VS development (since
that's what they know and do best).

Are the datawindows portable between the two platforms with
Datawindow.Net?

Shawn

> I would definitely consider Datawindow.NET for this
> purpose. Your developers code in Visual Studio, and the
> data access/presentation layer is the datawindow.
> FYI: with VS2005 you can use the Datawindow Designer as a
> direct plugin. With VS2008, you have to run the separate
> Designer application to create the datawindows.
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/
>
> <Shawn> wrote in message
> > news:4a33e041.3bec.1681692777@sybase.com... I'm still
> > plugging away at this so as I'm learning more things. I
> > figured I'd post follow ups to help limit the scope of
> > the discussion. First off, it appears WinForms could be
> > an option BUT I've read the limitations (and lack of
> > advancement) of this option going forward so this route
> is out. >
> > Aside from the ease at which the datawindow accesses and
> > updates data, I have at least one datawindow that has a
> > lot of embedded properties that control enabling,
> > disabling and coloring fields on the screen (based on
> > lets say checkboxes being checked or unchecked). Are
> > capabilities such as these that we've become used to
> > having available through Powerbuilder Applications also
> > extended into the .Net Datawindow environment? If the
> > datawindow that gets extended in the .Net implementation
> > just handles data retrieval/updates and very basic,
> > static presentation capabilities then I'm not sure
> > looking for a solution that utilizes our prototyped
> > datawindows on the web is right for us.
> >
> > Again, just trying to guide the discussion as best as
> > possible. From what I know of the PB12 enhancements
> > planned, it sounds like it would be great if these needs
> > could wait until PB12's release but they can't. Oh well
> > , another example of having to work within the
> > limitations currently in place.
> >
> > Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks in
> > advance!
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >> We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder
> 11.5 >> for some services we're planning to make available
> via >> browser interface over the web.
> >>
> >> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a
> company >> that was going to look at what we had and quote
> a price to >> have it ported over to a website. When I
> found out their >> development platform is .Net and C# I
> cancelled the >> meeting.
> >> With that thought in mind this morning I realized I
> may >> just be able to use Datawindow .Net to captitalize
> on our >> datawindows and save a lot of cost and effort in
> entirely >> rewriting our prototype in website form.
> >>
> >> Are there any documents out there that gives me the
> range >> of options that I have vs just doing a complete
> rewrite in >> a web development platform?
> >>
> >> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
> >> realistically seen that as an option. We could do an
> >> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype application we
> >> have in another web-friendly platform. I'm especially
> >> curious to know if there's some middle-ground option
> that >> specifically lets us deliver our datawindows and
> eachs' >> capabilities to the web in say .Net or
> preferably C#. >>
> >> Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6 data-driven
> specific >> to
> >> logged-in user
> >> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
> >> My Webserver: Apache
> >> My restrictions: no EAServer
> >> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could use
> if a >> hybrid approach exists? YES
> >>
> >> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY
> appreciated. >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Shawn
>
>


Arthur Hefit Posted on 2009-06-17 04:23:17.0Z
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Shawn

you can reuse the DataWindows from PowerBuilder in DataWindow.NET. I
guess PB 11.5 DataWindows can't be imported directly into
DataWindow.NET because the DataWindow version of PB 11.5 is heigher
than what DataWindow.NET used.

DataWindow.NET has some limitations when it comes to expressions based
on values (e.g. setting something visible/invisible) and you have to
write Javascript to get the same effects.

DataWindow.NET has some serious shortcommings when it comes to desgin
and some problems with accessability. We created a couple of years ago
a DW.NET application
(http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos/default.aspx?kanton=BL).

For the new version we decided to create the front end in ASP.NET
making use of the Telerik ASP.NET Ajax Controls. All the business logic
is still in PowerBuilder from which we created an assembly for usage in
ASP.NET.
You can find the latest version here:
http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos2/default.aspx?kanton=GR.

Arthur

Shawn wrote:

> Is the code in the PBL one in the same? In other words, can
> I use the datawindows that I've already created for my
> prototype Powerbuilder application and have those port right
> over and into Visual Studio for development OR are they not
> portable?
>
> In addition to utilizing the investment I've already made in
> some of my datawindows, I'm trying to figure out if I can do
> some of the work of creating additional datawindows in the
> future (since PB is what I know and do best) and make them
> available for whoever is doing the VS development (since
> that's what they know and do best).
>
> Are the datawindows portable between the two platforms with
> Datawindow.Net?
>
> Shawn
>
>
> > I would definitely consider Datawindow.NET for this
> > purpose. Your developers code in Visual Studio, and the
> > data access/presentation layer is the datawindow.
> > FYI: with VS2005 you can use the Datawindow Designer as a
> > direct plugin. With VS2008, you have to run the separate
> > Designer application to create the datawindows.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Horan[Sybase]
> > http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/
> >
> > <Shawn> wrote in message
> > > news:4a33e041.3bec.1681692777@sybase.com... I'm still
> > > plugging away at this so as I'm learning more things. I
> > > figured I'd post follow ups to help limit the scope of
> > > the discussion. First off, it appears WinForms could be
> > > an option BUT I've read the limitations (and lack of
> > > advancement) of this option going forward so this route
> > is out. >
> > > Aside from the ease at which the datawindow accesses and
> > > updates data, I have at least one datawindow that has a
> > > lot of embedded properties that control enabling,
> > > disabling and coloring fields on the screen (based on
> > > lets say checkboxes being checked or unchecked). Are
> > > capabilities such as these that we've become used to
> > > having available through Powerbuilder Applications also
> > > extended into the .Net Datawindow environment? If the
> > > datawindow that gets extended in the .Net implementation
> > > just handles data retrieval/updates and very basic,
> > > static presentation capabilities then I'm not sure
> > > looking for a solution that utilizes our prototyped
> > > datawindows on the web is right for us.
> > >
> > > Again, just trying to guide the discussion as best as
> > > possible. From what I know of the PB12 enhancements
> > > planned, it sounds like it would be great if these needs
> > > could wait until PB12's release but they can't. Oh well
> > > , another example of having to work within the
> > > limitations currently in place.
> > >
> > > Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks in
> > > advance!
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > >> We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder
> > 11.5 >> for some services we're planning to make available
> > via >> browser interface over the web.
> > > >
> > >> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a
> > company >> that was going to look at what we had and quote
> > a price to >> have it ported over to a website. When I
> > found out their >> development platform is .Net and C# I
> > cancelled the >> meeting.
> > >> With that thought in mind this morning I realized I
> > may >> just be able to use Datawindow .Net to captitalize
> > on our >> datawindows and save a lot of cost and effort in
> > entirely >> rewriting our prototype in website form.
> > > >
> > >> Are there any documents out there that gives me the
> > range >> of options that I have vs just doing a complete
> > rewrite in >> a web development platform?
> > > >
> > >> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
> > >> realistically seen that as an option. We could do an
> > >> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype application we
> > >> have in another web-friendly platform. I'm especially
> > >> curious to know if there's some middle-ground option
> > that >> specifically lets us deliver our datawindows and
> > eachs' >> capabilities to the web in say .Net or
> > preferably C#. >>
> > >> Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6 data-driven
> > specific >> to
> > >> logged-in user
> > >> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
> > >> My Webserver: Apache
> > >> My restrictions: no EAServer
> > >> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could use
> > if a >> hybrid approach exists? YES
> > > >
> > >> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY
> > appreciated. >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Shawn
> >
> >


Shawn Posted on 2009-06-18 02:35:14.0Z
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Arthur,

Thank you! We are in Powerbuilder 11.5 so to learn that we
can't import our Datawindows into Datawindow.Net is really a
show-stopper to begin with. Even if we could import though,
it wouldn't be worth doing if we couldn't fully leverage the
properties within the datawindow. The datawindow has always
been a great tool for handling retrievals and updates. For
us, it's also a great tool for controlling visibility,
access, etc. I had sneaky suspicion that these capabilities
didn't seamlessly port over. It's a shame!

Shawn

> Shawn
>
> you can reuse the DataWindows from PowerBuilder in
> DataWindow.NET. I guess PB 11.5 DataWindows can't be
> imported directly into DataWindow.NET because the
> DataWindow version of PB 11.5 is heigher than what
> DataWindow.NET used.
>
> DataWindow.NET has some limitations when it comes to
> expressions based on values (e.g. setting something
> visible/invisible) and you have to write Javascript to get
> the same effects.
>
> DataWindow.NET has some serious shortcommings when it
> comes to desgin and some problems with accessability. We
> created a couple of years ago a DW.NET application
> (http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos/default.aspx
> ?kanton=BL).
>
> For the new version we decided to create the front end in
> ASP.NET making use of the Telerik ASP.NET Ajax Controls.
> All the business logic is still in PowerBuilder from which
> we created an assembly for usage in ASP.NET.
> You can find the latest version here:
>
http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos2/default.aspx?kanton=GR.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> Shawn wrote:
>
> > Is the code in the PBL one in the same? In other words,
> > can I use the datawindows that I've already created for
> > my prototype Powerbuilder application and have those
> > port right over and into Visual Studio for development
> > OR are they not portable?
> >
> > In addition to utilizing the investment I've already
> > made in some of my datawindows, I'm trying to figure out
> > if I can do some of the work of creating additional
> > datawindows in the future (since PB is what I know and
> > do best) and make them available for whoever is doing
> > the VS development (since that's what they know and do
> > best).
> > Are the datawindows portable between the two platforms
> > with Datawindow.Net?
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> > > I would definitely consider Datawindow.NET for this
> > > purpose. Your developers code in Visual Studio, and
> > > the data access/presentation layer is the datawindow.
> > > FYI: with VS2005 you can use the Datawindow Designer
> > > as a direct plugin. With VS2008, you have to run the
> > > separate Designer application to create the
> > > datawindows.
> > > --
> > > Paul Horan[Sybase]
> > > http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/
> > >
> > > <Shawn> wrote in message
> > > > news:4a33e041.3bec.1681692777@sybase.com... I'm
> > > > still plugging away at this so as I'm learning more
> > > > things. I figured I'd post follow ups to help limit
> > > > the scope of the discussion. First off, it appears
> > > > WinForms could be an option BUT I've read the
> > > > limitations (and lack of advancement) of this option
> > > going forward so this route is out. >
> > > > Aside from the ease at which the datawindow accesses
> > > > and updates data, I have at least one datawindow
> > > > that has a lot of embedded properties that control
> > > > enabling, disabling and coloring fields on the
> > > > screen (based on lets say checkboxes being checked
> > > > or unchecked). Are capabilities such as these that
> > > > we've become used to having available through
> > > > Powerbuilder Applications also extended into the
> > > > .Net Datawindow environment? If the datawindow that
> > > > gets extended in the .Net implementation just
> > > > handles data retrieval/updates and very basic,
> > > > static presentation capabilities then I'm not sure
> > > > looking for a solution that utilizes our prototyped
> > > > datawindows on the web is right for us.
> > > > Again, just trying to guide the discussion as best
> > > > as possible. From what I know of the PB12
> > > > enhancements planned, it sounds like it would be
> > > > great if these needs could wait until PB12's release
> > > > but they can't. Oh well , another example of having
> > > > to work within the limitations currently in place.
> > > >
> > > > Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks in
> > > > advance!
> > > >
> > > > Shawn
> > > >
> > > >> We've built a prototype application in Powerbuilder
> > > 11.5 >> for some services we're planning to make
> > > available via >> browser interface over the web.
> > > > >
> > > >> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with a
> > > company >> that was going to look at what we had and
> > > quote a price to >> have it ported over to a website.
> > > When I found out their >> development platform is .Net
> > > and C# I cancelled the >> meeting.
> > > >> With that thought in mind this morning I realized
> > > I may >> just be able to use Datawindow .Net to
> > > captitalize on our >> datawindows and save a lot of
> > > cost and effort in entirely >> rewriting our prototype
> > > > > in website form.
> > > >> Are there any documents out there that gives me the
> > > range >> of options that I have vs just doing a
> > > complete rewrite in >> a web development platform?
> > > > >
> > > >> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
> > > >> realistically seen that as an option. We could do
> > > an >> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype
> > > application we >> have in another web-friendly
> > > platform. I'm especially >> curious to know if
> > > there's some middle-ground option that >> specifically
> > > lets us deliver our datawindows and eachs' >>
> > > capabilities to the web in say .Net or preferably C#.
> > > >> >> Current Scope of dynamic webpages: 6
> > > data-driven specific >> to
> > > >> logged-in user
> > > >> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
> > > >> My Webserver: Apache
> > > >> My restrictions: no EAServer
> > > >> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could
> > > use if a >> hybrid approach exists? YES
> > > > >
> > > >> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY
> > > appreciated. >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Shawn
> > >
> > >
>
>


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Were newsgroup postings lost or are these newsgroups
monitored and selectively "trimmed" for not just
appropriateness but also for marketing purposes? There were
AT LEAST 2 more postings to this thread, one from Terry and
one from me in response to Terry. What happened to those
postings?

> Arthur,
>
> Thank you! We are in Powerbuilder 11.5 so to learn that
> we can't import our Datawindows into Datawindow.Net is
> really a show-stopper to begin with. Even if we could
> import though, it wouldn't be worth doing if we couldn't
> fully leverage the properties within the datawindow. The
> datawindow has always been a great tool for handling
> retrievals and updates. For us, it's also a great tool
> for controlling visibility, access, etc. I had sneaky
> suspicion that these capabilities didn't seamlessly port
> over. It's a shame!
>
> Shawn
>
>
> > Shawn
> >
> > you can reuse the DataWindows from PowerBuilder in
> > DataWindow.NET. I guess PB 11.5 DataWindows can't be
> > imported directly into DataWindow.NET because the
> > DataWindow version of PB 11.5 is heigher than what
> > DataWindow.NET used.
> >
> > DataWindow.NET has some limitations when it comes to
> > expressions based on values (e.g. setting something
> > visible/invisible) and you have to write Javascript to
> > get the same effects.
> >
> > DataWindow.NET has some serious shortcommings when it
> > comes to desgin and some problems with accessability. We
> > created a couple of years ago a DW.NET application
> >
> >
> (http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos/default.aspx
> ?kanton=BL). >
> > For the new version we decided to create the front end
> > in ASP.NET making use of the Telerik ASP.NET Ajax
> > Controls. All the business logic is still in
> > PowerBuilder from which we created an assembly for usage
> > in ASP.NET. You can find the latest version here:
> >
>
http://www.ausbildungsbeitraege.info/prognos2/default.aspx?kanton=GR.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> > Shawn wrote:
> >
> > > Is the code in the PBL one in the same? In other
> > > words, can I use the datawindows that I've already
> > > created for my prototype Powerbuilder application and
> > > have those port right over and into Visual Studio for
> > > development OR are they not portable?
> > >
> > > In addition to utilizing the investment I've already
> > > made in some of my datawindows, I'm trying to figure
> > > out if I can do some of the work of creating
> > > additional datawindows in the future (since PB is what
> > > I know and do best) and make them available for
> > > whoever is doing the VS development (since that's what
> > > they know and do best).
> > > Are the datawindows portable between the two platforms
> > > with Datawindow.Net?
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would definitely consider Datawindow.NET for this
> > > > purpose. Your developers code in Visual Studio,
> > > > and the data access/presentation layer is the
> > > > datawindow. FYI: with VS2005 you can use the
> > > > Datawindow Designer as a direct plugin. With VS2008
> > > > , you have to run the separate Designer application
> > > > to create the datawindows.
> > > > --
> > > > Paul Horan[Sybase]
> > > > http://blogs.sybase.com/phoran/
> > > >
> > > > <Shawn> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4a33e041.3bec.1681692777@sybase.com... I'm
> > > > > still plugging away at this so as I'm learning
> > > > > more things. I figured I'd post follow ups to
> > > > > help limit the scope of the discussion. First off
> > > > > , it appears WinForms could be an option BUT I've
> > > > > read the limitations (and lack of advancement) of
> > > > this option going forward so this route is out. >
> > > > > Aside from the ease at which the datawindow
> > > > > accesses and updates data, I have at least one
> > > > > datawindow that has a lot of embedded properties
> > > > > that control enabling, disabling and coloring
> > > > > fields on the screen (based on lets say checkboxes
> > > > > being checked or unchecked). Are capabilities
> > > > > such as these that we've become used to having
> > > > > available through Powerbuilder Applications also
> > > > > extended into the .Net Datawindow environment? If
> > > > > the datawindow that gets extended in the .Net
> > > > > implementation just handles data retrieval/updates
> > > > > and very basic, static presentation capabilities
> > > > > then I'm not sure looking for a solution that
> > > > > utilizes our prototyped datawindows on the web is
> > > > > right for us. Again, just trying to guide the
> > > > > discussion as best as possible. From what I know
> > > > > of the PB12 enhancements planned, it sounds like
> > > > > it would be great if these needs could wait until
> > > > > PB12's release but they can't. Oh well , another
> > > > > example of having to work within the limitations
> > > > currently in place. >
> > > > > Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts. Thanks
> > > > > in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Shawn
> > > > >
> > > > >> We've built a prototype application in
> > > > Powerbuilder 11.5 >> for some services we're
> > > > planning to make available via >> browser interface
> > > > > over the web. >
> > > > >> I had a meeting planned yesterday afternoon with
> > > > a company >> that was going to look at what we had
> > > > and quote a price to >> have it ported over to a
> > > > website. When I found out their >> development
> > > > platform is .Net and C# I cancelled the >> meeting.
> > > > >> With that thought in mind this morning I
> > > > realized I may >> just be able to use Datawindow
> > > > .Net to captitalize on our >> datawindows and save a
> > > > lot of cost and effort in entirely >> rewriting our
> > > > > > prototype in website form.
> > > > >> Are there any documents out there that gives me
> > > > the range >> of options that I have vs just doing a
> > > > complete rewrite in >> a web development platform?
> > > > > >
> > > > >> As I see it, I could use Appeon but I've never
> > > > >> realistically seen that as an option. We could
> > > > do an >> entire rewrite of the PB 11.5 prototype
> > > > application we >> have in another web-friendly
> > > > platform. I'm especially >> curious to know if
> > > > there's some middle-ground option that >>
> > > > specifically lets us deliver our datawindows and
> > > > eachs' >> capabilities to the web in say .Net or
> > > > preferably C#. >> >> Current Scope of dynamic
> > > > webpages: 6 data-driven specific >> to
> > > > >> logged-in user
> > > > >> My Webserver Operating System: Linux
> > > > >> My Webserver: Apache
> > > > >> My restrictions: no EAServer
> > > > >> Do we have Windows servers in house that we could
> > > > use if a >> hybrid approach exists? YES
> > > > > >
> > > > >> Any guidance that you can provide is GREATLY
> > > > appreciated. >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> Shawn
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >