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ASE SBE 15.5 Max engines

5 posts in General Discussion Last posting was on 2011-04-27 08:29:14.0Z
Brian Tusi Posted on 2011-04-26 19:25:52.0Z
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First off, apologies if you've already seen this - I posted
it yesterday via Google Groups, but they don't appear to be
connected for some reason.

Anyway, I'm working on building a new server with ASE 15.5.
I installed the application, and gave it my license file. I
created my master and other devices, and fired it up. I
attempted to run `sp_configure "max online engines", 8`, but
it limits me to 4. According to
http://www.sybase.com/files/Data_Sheets/Sybase-ASE-editions.pdf
, linked to from the Sybase home page, I should be able to
start 8, right?

I did some searching, and wondered if perhaps this had
changed recently. So, I upgraded to the latest ESD, and am
still having no luck - either running the stored procedure
or setting the configuration file to 8 does not work
properly; setting it to 4 does. Any ideas? Here's a few
snippets of startup output that may be of use:

00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.85 kernel SySAM:
Using licenses from:
/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_DE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_XE.lic
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.88 kernel SySAM:
Checked out license for 12 ASE_CORE ([...]/permanent/[...]).
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel Checked out
license ASE_CORE
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does not
allow you to set this configuration parameter to a value
higher than 4.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The value
of 'max online engines' has been modified from '8' to the
default value '1' since the original value is illegal. The
legal values are between '1' and '4'.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server Illegal
value '1' specified for configuration option 'max online
engines'. The legal values are between '2' and '12'.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server The value
specified for configuration option 'max online engines' '1'
cannot be less than the sum of the configuration options
'number of engines at startup' and 'max online Q engines'.
The current sum is '2'.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server 'max online
engines' has been modified from '1' to '2' by the
verification routine.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Could not
allocate memory using Huge Pages. Allocated using regular
pages. For better performance, reboot the server after
configuring enough Huge Pages.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Internal
run-time model set for Linux - Native
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Using 1024
file descriptors.
00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Adaptive
Server Enterprise/15.5/EBF 18380 SMP
ESD#3/P/x86_64/Enterprise Linux/asear155/2531/64-bit/FBO/Fri
Jan 14 07:04:05 2011

Thanks in advance.


syb_user Posted on 2011-04-26 19:44:44.0Z
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To get a better understanding of your configuration
settings, can you post the output of

1> sp_configure "engine"
2> go

The output should be similar to the following:

Msg 17411, Level 16, State 1:
Server 'SYBASE_TEST', Procedure 'sp_configure', Line 322:
Configuration option is not unique.

Parameter Name Default Memory
Used Config Value Run Value Unit
Type
------------------------------ --------------------
----------- -------------------- --------------------
-------------------- ----------
engine memory log size 0
2 0 0 memory
pages(2k) dynamic
event buffers per engine 100
#204 2000 2000 number
static
max async i/os per engine 1024
0 1024 1024 number
static
max native threads per engine 50
0 50 50 number
dynamic
max online Q engines 0
0 0 0 not applicable
static
max online engines 1
942 1 1 number
static
number of Q engines at startup 0
0 0 0 number
static
number of engines at startup 1
0 1 1 number
static
search engine timeout factor 0
0 0 0 number
dynamic

(1 row affected)


"Mark A. Parsons" <iron_horse Posted on 2011-04-26 19:49:17.0Z
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From the fine print at that URL you posted:

"A new licensing model is introduced for ASE SBE. Chip-based pricing now replaces core-based pricing for ASE SBE. It is
limited to machines with a maximum configuration of 2 chips; it can start as many as 8 engines."

The limit of 2 chips but max of 8 engines would seem to imply that you can get up to 8 engines with one of the following
hardware configurations: 1 chip with 8 cores; 2 chips with 4 cores each

Soooo, first thing I'd want to find out is a) how many cpu chips you've got on your machine and b) how many cores per chip?

If you've got 4x dual-core chips, then a max of 4 engines (ie, 2x dual core chips) would be your max ... though
according to the licensing details I'm not sure you could even install SBE on a machine with 4 chips.

If you've got 2x quad-core chips, then I'd expect a max of 8 engines would be doable ... thus implying a bug with the
licensing.

Of course, there's also a question of your license details ... if you have 2 cpu chips on the machine, did you purchase
1 or 2 chip-based licenses?

If you purchased SBE through a sales rep I'd also want to get hold of him/her for clarification (though a call to tech
support may be more productive, eh).

On 04/26/2011 15:25, Brian Tusi wrote:
> First off, apologies if you've already seen this - I posted
> it yesterday via Google Groups, but they don't appear to be
> connected for some reason.
>
> Anyway, I'm working on building a new server with ASE 15.5.
> I installed the application, and gave it my license file. I
> created my master and other devices, and fired it up. I
> attempted to run `sp_configure "max online engines", 8`, but
> it limits me to 4. According to
> http://www.sybase.com/files/Data_Sheets/Sybase-ASE-editions.pdf
> , linked to from the Sybase home page, I should be able to
> start 8, right?
>
> I did some searching, and wondered if perhaps this had
> changed recently. So, I upgraded to the latest ESD, and am
> still having no luck - either running the stored procedure
> or setting the configuration file to 8 does not work
> properly; setting it to 4 does. Any ideas? Here's a few
> snippets of startup output that may be of use:
>
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.85 kernel SySAM:
> Using licenses from:
> /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_DE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_XE.lic
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.88 kernel SySAM:
> Checked out license for 12 ASE_CORE ([...]/permanent/[...]).
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel Checked out
> license ASE_CORE
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
> Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does not
> allow you to set this configuration parameter to a value
> higher than 4.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The value
> of 'max online engines' has been modified from '8' to the
> default value '1' since the original value is illegal. The
> legal values are between '1' and '4'.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server Illegal
> value '1' specified for configuration option 'max online
> engines'. The legal values are between '2' and '12'.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server The value
> specified for configuration option 'max online engines' '1'
> cannot be less than the sum of the configuration options
> 'number of engines at startup' and 'max online Q engines'.
> The current sum is '2'.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server 'max online
> engines' has been modified from '1' to '2' by the
> verification routine.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Could not
> allocate memory using Huge Pages. Allocated using regular
> pages. For better performance, reboot the server after
> configuring enough Huge Pages.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Internal
> run-time model set for Linux - Native
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Using 1024
> file descriptors.
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Adaptive
> Server Enterprise/15.5/EBF 18380 SMP
> ESD#3/P/x86_64/Enterprise Linux/asear155/2531/64-bit/FBO/Fri
> Jan 14 07:04:05 2011
>
> Thanks in advance.


Brian Tusi Posted on 2011-04-26 21:28:59.0Z
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Thanks, Mark. The machine is a Dell R410 with two Intel
X5675 6-core CPUs, HyperThreading off. It may be worth
noting that the CPUs were released after the ESD.

/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/bin/cpuinfo lists the following:
Detected 12 logical processor(s), 12 core(s), in 2 chip(s)

The license was acquired through SubscribeNet. We're an OEM,
so I believe our license files come out a bit different than
others' - here's a snippet of the license file, which
appears to be not specific to our installation:

INCREMENT ASE_SE_CP SYBASE [redacted] permanent uncounted

Additionally, it's for HostID: ANY.

In an attempt to try what you alluded to, that the license
was only for a single CPU, I put another license in the
file, and tried again, with no luck.

/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/bin/sysam diag checks out both
licenses sequentially, like so:

-----------------------------------------------------
License file: /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic
-----------------------------------------------------
"ASE_SE_CP" [redacted], vendor: SYBASE
uncounted nodelocked license locked to NOTHING
(hostid=ANY) starts: 1-jan-1990, no expiration date

TS_OK: Checkout permitted when client is using terminal
client

This is the correct node for this node-locked license
-----------------------------------------------------

Enter <CR> to continue:
"ASE_SE_CP" [redacted, different than previous], vendor:
SYBASE
uncounted nodelocked license locked to NOTHING
(hostid=ANY) starts: 1-jan-1990, no expiration date

TS_OK: Checkout permitted when client is using terminal
client

This is the correct node for this node-locked license
-----------------------------------------------------

And finally, the actual output from attempting to set 8
engines:

1> sp_configure "max online engines", 8
2> go
Msg 10847, Level 16, State 2:
Server 'BT', Procedure 'sp_configure', Line 1229:
The Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does
not allow you to set
this configuration parameter to a value higher than 4.
Msg 5846, Level 16, State 2:
Server 'BT', Procedure 'sp_configure', Line 1229:
Illegal value '8' specified for configuration option 'max
online engines'. The
legal values are between '1' and '4'.
(return status = 1)

> From the fine print at that URL you posted:
>
> "A new licensing model is introduced for ASE SBE.
> Chip-based pricing now replaces core-based pricing for ASE
> SBE. It is limited to machines with a maximum
> configuration of 2 chips; it can start as many as 8
> engines."
>
> The limit of 2 chips but max of 8 engines would seem to
> imply that you can get up to 8 engines with one of the
> following hardware configurations: 1 chip with 8 cores;
> 2 chips with 4 cores each
>
> Soooo, first thing I'd want to find out is a) how many cpu
> chips you've got on your machine and b) how many cores per
> chip?
>
> If you've got 4x dual-core chips, then a max of 4 engines
> (ie, 2x dual core chips) would be your max ... though
> according to the licensing details I'm not sure you could
> even install SBE on a machine with 4 chips.
>
> If you've got 2x quad-core chips, then I'd expect a max of
> 8 engines would be doable ... thus implying a bug with the
> licensing.
>
> Of course, there's also a question of your license details
> ... if you have 2 cpu chips on the machine, did you
> purchase 1 or 2 chip-based licenses?
>
> If you purchased SBE through a sales rep I'd also want to
> get hold of him/her for clarification (though a call to
> tech support may be more productive, eh).
>
> On 04/26/2011 15:25, Brian Tusi wrote:
> > First off, apologies if you've already seen this - I
> > posted it yesterday via Google Groups, but they don't
> > appear to be connected for some reason.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm working on building a new server with ASE
> > 15.5. I installed the application, and gave it my
> > license file. I created my master and other devices, and
> > fired it up. I attempted to run `sp_configure "max
> > online engines", 8`, but it limits me to 4. According to
> >
>
http://www.sybase.com/files/Data_Sheets/Sybase-ASE-editions.pdf
> > , linked to from the Sybase home page, I should be able
> > to start 8, right?
> >
> > I did some searching, and wondered if perhaps this had
> > changed recently. So, I upgraded to the latest ESD, and
> > am still having no luck - either running the stored
> > procedure or setting the configuration file to 8 does
> > not work properly; setting it to 4 does. Any ideas?
> > Here's a few snippets of startup output that may be of
> use: >
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.85 kernel SySAM:
> > Using licenses from:
> >
> /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSA
> M-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_DE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/lic
> > enses/SYBASE_ASE_XE.lic 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25
> > 15:48:46.88 kernel SySAM: Checked out license for 12
> > ASE_CORE ([...]/permanent/[...]).
> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel Checked
> > out license ASE_CORE
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
> > Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does
> > not allow you to set this configuration parameter to a
> > value higher than 4.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
> > value of 'max online engines' has been modified from '8'
> > to the default value '1' since the original value is
> > illegal. The legal values are between '1' and '4'.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server Illegal
> > value '1' specified for configuration option 'max online
> > engines'. The legal values are between '2' and '12'.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server The
> > value specified for configuration option 'max online
> > engines' '1' cannot be less than the sum of the
> > configuration options 'number of engines at startup' and
> > 'max online Q engines'. The current sum is '2'.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server 'max
> > online engines' has been modified from '1' to '2' by the
> > verification routine.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Could
> > not allocate memory using Huge Pages. Allocated using
> > regular pages. For better performance, reboot the server
> > after configuring enough Huge Pages.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel
> > Internal run-time model set for Linux - Native
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Using
> > 1024 file descriptors.
> > 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel
> > Adaptive Server Enterprise/15.5/EBF 18380 SMP
> > ESD#3/P/x86_64/Enterprise
> > Linux/asear155/2531/64-bit/FBO/Fri Jan 14 07:04:05 2011
> >
> > Thanks in advance.


"Mark A. Parsons" <iron_horse Posted on 2011-04-27 08:29:14.0Z
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The error message ("...does not allow...a value higher than 4") obviously makes it sound like your ASE software doesn't
know about the 8 engine max capability of SBE, so I'd suggest contacting Sybase tech support to see if there's an issue
with your license file, your ASE version or .... ???

On 04/26/2011 17:28, Brian Tusi wrote:
> Thanks, Mark. The machine is a Dell R410 with two Intel
> X5675 6-core CPUs, HyperThreading off. It may be worth
> noting that the CPUs were released after the ESD.
>
> /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/bin/cpuinfo lists the following:
> Detected 12 logical processor(s), 12 core(s), in 2 chip(s)
>
> The license was acquired through SubscribeNet. We're an OEM,
> so I believe our license files come out a bit different than
> others' - here's a snippet of the license file, which
> appears to be not specific to our installation:
>
> INCREMENT ASE_SE_CP SYBASE [redacted] permanent uncounted
>
> Additionally, it's for HostID: ANY.
>
> In an attempt to try what you alluded to, that the license
> was only for a single CPU, I put another license in the
> file, and tried again, with no luck.
>
> /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/bin/sysam diag checks out both
> licenses sequentially, like so:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> License file: /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic
> -----------------------------------------------------
> "ASE_SE_CP" [redacted], vendor: SYBASE
> uncounted nodelocked license locked to NOTHING
> (hostid=ANY) starts: 1-jan-1990, no expiration date
>
> TS_OK: Checkout permitted when client is using terminal
> client
>
> This is the correct node for this node-locked license
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Enter<CR> to continue:
> "ASE_SE_CP" [redacted, different than previous], vendor:
> SYBASE
> uncounted nodelocked license locked to NOTHING
> (hostid=ANY) starts: 1-jan-1990, no expiration date
>
> TS_OK: Checkout permitted when client is using terminal
> client
>
> This is the correct node for this node-locked license
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> And finally, the actual output from attempting to set 8
> engines:
>
> 1> sp_configure "max online engines", 8
> 2> go
> Msg 10847, Level 16, State 2:
> Server 'BT', Procedure 'sp_configure', Line 1229:
> The Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does
> not allow you to set
> this configuration parameter to a value higher than 4.
> Msg 5846, Level 16, State 2:
> Server 'BT', Procedure 'sp_configure', Line 1229:
> Illegal value '8' specified for configuration option 'max
> online engines'. The
> legal values are between '1' and '4'.
> (return status = 1)
>
>
>> From the fine print at that URL you posted:
>>
>> "A new licensing model is introduced for ASE SBE.
>> Chip-based pricing now replaces core-based pricing for ASE
>> SBE. It is limited to machines with a maximum
>> configuration of 2 chips; it can start as many as 8
>> engines."
>>
>> The limit of 2 chips but max of 8 engines would seem to
>> imply that you can get up to 8 engines with one of the
>> following hardware configurations: 1 chip with 8 cores;
>> 2 chips with 4 cores each
>>
>> Soooo, first thing I'd want to find out is a) how many cpu
>> chips you've got on your machine and b) how many cores per
>> chip?
>>
>> If you've got 4x dual-core chips, then a max of 4 engines
>> (ie, 2x dual core chips) would be your max ... though
>> according to the licensing details I'm not sure you could
>> even install SBE on a machine with 4 chips.
>>
>> If you've got 2x quad-core chips, then I'd expect a max of
>> 8 engines would be doable ... thus implying a bug with the
>> licensing.
>>
>> Of course, there's also a question of your license details
>> ... if you have 2 cpu chips on the machine, did you
>> purchase 1 or 2 chip-based licenses?
>>
>> If you purchased SBE through a sales rep I'd also want to
>> get hold of him/her for clarification (though a call to
>> tech support may be more productive, eh).
>>
>> On 04/26/2011 15:25, Brian Tusi wrote:
>>> First off, apologies if you've already seen this - I
>>> posted it yesterday via Google Groups, but they don't
>>> appear to be connected for some reason.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm working on building a new server with ASE
>>> 15.5. I installed the application, and gave it my
>>> license file. I created my master and other devices, and
>>> fired it up. I attempted to run `sp_configure "max
>>> online engines", 8`, but it limits me to 4. According to
>>>
>>
> http://www.sybase.com/files/Data_Sheets/Sybase-ASE-editions.pdf
>>> , linked to from the Sybase home page, I should be able
>>> to start 8, right?
>>>
>>> I did some searching, and wondered if perhaps this had
>>> changed recently. So, I upgraded to the latest ESD, and
>>> am still having no luck - either running the stored
>>> procedure or setting the configuration file to 8 does
>>> not work properly; setting it to 4 does. Any ideas?
>>> Here's a few snippets of startup output that may be of
>> use:>
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.85 kernel SySAM:
>>> Using licenses from:
>>>
>> /opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/licenses/SYBASE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSA
>> M-2_0/licenses/SYBASE_ASE_DE.lic:/opt/sybase/SYSAM-2_0/lic
>>> enses/SYBASE_ASE_XE.lic 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25
>>> 15:48:46.88 kernel SySAM: Checked out license for 12
>>> ASE_CORE ([...]/permanent/[...]).
>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel Checked
>>> out license ASE_CORE
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
>>> Adaptive Server Enterprise Small Business Edition does
>>> not allow you to set this configuration parameter to a
>>> value higher than 4.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.97 kernel The
>>> value of 'max online engines' has been modified from '8'
>>> to the default value '1' since the original value is
>>> illegal. The legal values are between '1' and '4'.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server Illegal
>>> value '1' specified for configuration option 'max online
>>> engines'. The legal values are between '2' and '12'.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server The
>>> value specified for configuration option 'max online
>>> engines' '1' cannot be less than the sum of the
>>> configuration options 'number of engines at startup' and
>>> 'max online Q engines'. The current sum is '2'.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 server 'max
>>> online engines' has been modified from '1' to '2' by the
>>> verification routine.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Could
>>> not allocate memory using Huge Pages. Allocated using
>>> regular pages. For better performance, reboot the server
>>> after configuring enough Huge Pages.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel
>>> Internal run-time model set for Linux - Native
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel Using
>>> 1024 file descriptors.
>>> 00:00:00000:00000:2011/04/25 15:48:46.98 kernel
>>> Adaptive Server Enterprise/15.5/EBF 18380 SMP
>>> ESD#3/P/x86_64/Enterprise
>>> Linux/asear155/2531/64-bit/FBO/Fri Jan 14 07:04:05 2011
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.