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Appeon Performance

8 posts in Appeon (partner product) Last posting was on 2011-07-31 08:36:15.0Z
TEric Posted on 2011-05-20 17:17:02.0Z
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Hello,

I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad, depending
on how you look at it) appeon performance is with
Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with MSSQL
Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to figure out a
way to deploy our PB application on the web and appeon seems
to be a good candidate to do it. Also, does it work with a
PFC architecture?

I'll appreciate any insight you can share.

Thanks


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-05-23 02:52:13.0Z
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Hi;

FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB deployment to the web
that:

a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which loads your
application and the PBVM on each thread (there is a big bonus right there).
b) Will run in true 64bit mode where as Webform is 32 bit only.
c) Builds multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms)
d) Uses Database connection caching (not available in Webforms)
e) Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not)
f) Does support the PFC (also OK in webforms)
g) Supports direct printing interaction with desktop (webforms does not)
h) Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not)
i) Automatically integrates with Active Directory Services (Webforms does
not).
j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms does not cache
anything).
etc

AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any PB application!

Regards ... Chris
President: OSUG / STD Inc.
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"TEric" wrote in message news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...

Hello,

I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad, depending
on how you look at it) appeon performance is with
Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with MSSQL
Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to figure out a
way to deploy our PB application on the web and appeon seems
to be a good candidate to do it. Also, does it work with a
PFC architecture?

I'll appreciate any insight you can share.

Thanks


TEric Posted on 2011-06-14 19:24:54.0Z
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Chris,

Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses webservice
using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I have another PB
app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in stored proc using
ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a perfect candidate for it
too. Any Cons you can share? How much time are we talking
here if ever we decided to go for it and move our app to
Appeon? What kind of tweaks do we normally have to do?

> Hi;
>
> FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
> deployment to the web that:
>
> a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
> loads your application and the PBVM on each thread (there
> is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in true 64bit
> mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c) Builds
> multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms) d) Uses
> Database connection caching (not available in Webforms) e)
> Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not) f) Does
> support the PFC (also OK in webforms) g) Supports direct
> printing interaction with desktop (webforms does not) h)
> Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not) i)
> Automatically integrates with Active Directory Services
> (Webforms does not).
> j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms
> does not cache anything).
> etc
>
> AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any
> PB application!
>
> Regards ... Chris
> President: OSUG / STD Inc.
> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>
> "TEric" wrote in message
> news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
> depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
> with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
> MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to figure
> out a way to deploy our PB application on the web and
> appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it. Also, does
> it work with a PFC architecture?
>
> I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
>
> Thanks
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-06-15 04:18:02.0Z
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1) No problem with SOAP. Appeon 6.5.2 (current release) also supports the
Web Service DW.
2) Appeon supports the PFC
3) SP's should be the same. Appeon supports various O11g access mechanisms -
including OCI.
4) Server price.
4a) May need to tweak some code and / or tie-in some Appeon special coding
(provided in a PBL).
5) I just did a production application at Public Works to Appeon in about 2
hours to get the basics working. Then, another day to tweak and test some
code revisions to get certain features to work properly (see 4a above)
6) Like any application, the time will depend on what features, low level
SDK calls and/or 3rd party add-ons you have used.
7) The tweaks required will depend on #6. I have some applications with zero
changes required and others amounting to a few hundred lines of code.

HTH




"Teric" wrote in message news:4df7b586.3a4d.1681692777@sybase.com...

Chris,

Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses webservice
using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I have another PB
app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in stored proc using
ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a perfect candidate for it
too. Any Cons you can share? How much time are we talking
here if ever we decided to go for it and move our app to
Appeon? What kind of tweaks do we normally have to do?

> Hi;
>
> FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
> deployment to the web that:
>
> a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
> loads your application and the PBVM on each thread (there
> is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in true 64bit
> mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c) Builds
> multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms) d) Uses
> Database connection caching (not available in Webforms) e)
> Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not) f) Does
> support the PFC (also OK in webforms) g) Supports direct
> printing interaction with desktop (webforms does not) h)
> Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not) i)
> Automatically integrates with Active Directory Services
> (Webforms does not).
> j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms
> does not cache anything).
> etc
>
> AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any
> PB application!
>
> Regards ... Chris
> President: OSUG / STD Inc.
> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>
> "TEric" wrote in message
> news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
> depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
> with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
> MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to figure
> out a way to deploy our PB application on the web and
> appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it. Also, does
> it work with a PFC architecture?
>
> I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
>
> Thanks
>


TEric Posted on 2011-06-15 16:56:38.0Z
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Thanks again Chris. Are there any training given by Sybase
or any of its partners on Appeon?

> 1) No problem with SOAP. Appeon 6.5.2 (current release)
> also supports the Web Service DW.
> 2) Appeon supports the PFC
> 3) SP's should be the same. Appeon supports various O11g
> access mechanisms - including OCI.
> 4) Server price.
> 4a) May need to tweak some code and / or tie-in some
> Appeon special coding (provided in a PBL).
> 5) I just did a production application at Public Works to
> Appeon in about 2 hours to get the basics working. Then,
> another day to tweak and test some code revisions to get
> certain features to work properly (see 4a above) 6) Like
> any application, the time will depend on what features,
> low level SDK calls and/or 3rd party add-ons you have
> used. 7) The tweaks required will depend on #6. I have
> some applications with zero changes required and others
> amounting to a few hundred lines of code.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
> "Teric" wrote in message
> news:4df7b586.3a4d.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses
> webservice using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I
> have another PB app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in
> stored proc using ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a
> perfect candidate for it too. Any Cons you can share?
> How much time are we talking here if ever we decided to go
> for it and move our app to Appeon? What kind of tweaks do
> we normally have to do?
>
>
>
> > Hi;
> >
> > FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
> > deployment to the web that:
> >
> > a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
> > loads your application and the PBVM on each thread
> > (there is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in true
> > 64bit mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c) Builds
> > multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms) d) Uses
> > Database connection caching (not available in Webforms)
> > e) Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not) f)
> > Does support the PFC (also OK in webforms) g) Supports
> > direct printing interaction with desktop (webforms does
> > not) h) Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not)
> > i) Automatically integrates with Active Directory
> > Services (Webforms does not).
> > j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms
> > does not cache anything).
> > etc
> >
> > AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any
> > PB application!
> >
> > Regards ... Chris
> > President: OSUG / STD Inc.
> > Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> > PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> > SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
> >
> > "TEric" wrote in message
> > news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
> > depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
> > with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
> > MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to
> > figure out a way to deploy our PB application on the web
> > and appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it. Also,
> > does it work with a PFC architecture?
> >
> > I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-06-16 11:56:51.0Z
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Wow ... great question & I have no idea!

I will find out for you ... stay tuned! :-)

<Teric> wrote in message news:4df8e446.689d.1681692777@sybase.com...
> Thanks again Chris. Are there any training given by Sybase
> or any of its partners on Appeon?
>
>
>
>> 1) No problem with SOAP. Appeon 6.5.2 (current release)
>> also supports the Web Service DW.
>> 2) Appeon supports the PFC
>> 3) SP's should be the same. Appeon supports various O11g
>> access mechanisms - including OCI.
>> 4) Server price.
>> 4a) May need to tweak some code and / or tie-in some
>> Appeon special coding (provided in a PBL).
>> 5) I just did a production application at Public Works to
>> Appeon in about 2 hours to get the basics working. Then,
>> another day to tweak and test some code revisions to get
>> certain features to work properly (see 4a above) 6) Like
>> any application, the time will depend on what features,
>> low level SDK calls and/or 3rd party add-ons you have
>> used. 7) The tweaks required will depend on #6. I have
>> some applications with zero changes required and others
>> amounting to a few hundred lines of code.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Teric" wrote in message
>> news:4df7b586.3a4d.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses
>> webservice using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I
>> have another PB app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in
>> stored proc using ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a
>> perfect candidate for it too. Any Cons you can share?
>> How much time are we talking here if ever we decided to go
>> for it and move our app to Appeon? What kind of tweaks do
>> we normally have to do?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi;
>> >
>> > FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
>> > deployment to the web that:
>> >
>> > a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
>> > loads your application and the PBVM on each thread
>> > (there is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in true
>> > 64bit mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c) Builds
>> > multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms) d) Uses
>> > Database connection caching (not available in Webforms)
>> > e) Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not) f)
>> > Does support the PFC (also OK in webforms) g) Supports
>> > direct printing interaction with desktop (webforms does
>> > not) h) Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not)
>> > i) Automatically integrates with Active Directory
>> > Services (Webforms does not).
>> > j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms
>> > does not cache anything).
>> > etc
>> >
>> > AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any
>> > PB application!
>> >
>> > Regards ... Chris
>> > President: OSUG / STD Inc.
>> > Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> > PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> > SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>> >
>> > "TEric" wrote in message
>> > news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
>> > depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
>> > with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
>> > MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to
>> > figure out a way to deploy our PB application on the web
>> > and appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it. Also,
>> > does it work with a PFC architecture?
>> >
>> > I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-06-28 11:47:18.0Z
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Hi Teric;

I have checked with Sybase and Appeon and there are *no* official
courses to-date. There are knowledgeable staff at Novalys and Appeon (of
course) plus the followers here in the News Group. I think the best teacher
is going to be an experienced PB developer who has run through the tasks of
assimilating their application(s) to Appeon.

--
Regards ... Chris
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

<Teric> wrote in message news:4df8e446.689d.1681692777@sybase.com...
> Thanks again Chris. Are there any training given by Sybase
> or any of its partners on Appeon?
>
>
>
>> 1) No problem with SOAP. Appeon 6.5.2 (current release)
>> also supports the Web Service DW.
>> 2) Appeon supports the PFC
>> 3) SP's should be the same. Appeon supports various O11g
>> access mechanisms - including OCI.
>> 4) Server price.
>> 4a) May need to tweak some code and / or tie-in some
>> Appeon special coding (provided in a PBL).
>> 5) I just did a production application at Public Works to
>> Appeon in about 2 hours to get the basics working. Then,
>> another day to tweak and test some code revisions to get
>> certain features to work properly (see 4a above) 6) Like
>> any application, the time will depend on what features,
>> low level SDK calls and/or 3rd party add-ons you have
>> used. 7) The tweaks required will depend on #6. I have
>> some applications with zero changes required and others
>> amounting to a few hundred lines of code.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Teric" wrote in message
>> news:4df7b586.3a4d.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses
>> webservice using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I
>> have another PB app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in
>> stored proc using ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a
>> perfect candidate for it too. Any Cons you can share?
>> How much time are we talking here if ever we decided to go
>> for it and move our app to Appeon? What kind of tweaks do
>> we normally have to do?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi;
>> >
>> > FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
>> > deployment to the web that:
>> >
>> > a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
>> > loads your application and the PBVM on each thread
>> > (there is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in true
>> > 64bit mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c) Builds
>> > multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms) d) Uses
>> > Database connection caching (not available in Webforms)
>> > e) Uses instance pooling (which webforms does not) f)
>> > Does support the PFC (also OK in webforms) g) Supports
>> > direct printing interaction with desktop (webforms does
>> > not) h) Supports full MDI behaviour (Webforms does not)
>> > i) Automatically integrates with Active Directory
>> > Services (Webforms does not).
>> > j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client side (Webforms
>> > does not cache anything).
>> > etc
>> >
>> > AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying any
>> > PB application!
>> >
>> > Regards ... Chris
>> > President: OSUG / STD Inc.
>> > Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> > PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> > SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>> >
>> > "TEric" wrote in message
>> > news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
>> > depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
>> > with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
>> > MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to
>> > figure out a way to deploy our PB application on the web
>> > and appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it. Also,
>> > does it work with a PFC architecture?
>> >
>> > I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>


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Hi Teric,
Where are you based?
Drop an email to PB_support@softpi.it. As Appeon partners,
they might give you some migration/traininig support.
Best,
T.

> Thanks again Chris. Are there any training given by Sybase
> or any of its partners on Appeon?
>
>
>
> > 1) No problem with SOAP. Appeon 6.5.2 (current release)
> > also supports the Web Service DW.
> > 2) Appeon supports the PFC
> > 3) SP's should be the same. Appeon supports various O11g
> > access mechanisms - including OCI.
> > 4) Server price.
> > 4a) May need to tweak some code and / or tie-in some
> > Appeon special coding (provided in a PBL).
> > 5) I just did a production application at Public Works
> > to Appeon in about 2 hours to get the basics working.
> > Then, another day to tweak and test some code revisions
> > to get certain features to work properly (see 4a above)
> > 6) Like any application, the time will depend on what
> > features, low level SDK calls and/or 3rd party add-ons
> > you have used. 7) The tweaks required will depend on #6.
> > I have some applications with zero changes required and
> > others amounting to a few hundred lines of code.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Teric" wrote in message
> > news:4df7b586.3a4d.1681692777@sybase.com...
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Thanks for that information. Our PB 12 app uses
> > webservice using SOAP. Would that be an issue? Also I
> > have another PB app in 11.5 with PFC and is heavy in
> > stored proc using ORACLE 11. Seems that would be a
> > perfect candidate for it too. Any Cons you can share?
> > How much time are we talking here if ever we decided to
> > go for it and move our app to Appeon? What kind of
> > tweaks do we normally have to do?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi;
> > >
> > > FWIW: I would consider Appeon your BEST bet for PB
> > > deployment to the web that:
> > >
> > > a) Does not require any PB runtime like webforms which
> > > loads your application and the PBVM on each thread
> > > (there is a big bonus right there). b) Will run in
> > > true 64bit mode where as Webform is 32 bit only. c)
> > > Builds multi-threaded code (not supported by Webforms)
> > > d) Uses Database connection caching (not available in
> > > Webforms) e) Uses instance pooling (which webforms
> > > does not) f) Does support the PFC (also OK in
> > > webforms) g) Supports direct printing interaction with
> > > desktop (webforms does not) h) Supports full MDI
> > > behaviour (Webforms does not) i) Automatically
> > > integrates with Active Directory Services (Webforms
> > > does not). j) Can cache DW's on server and/or client
> > > side (Webforms does not cache anything).
> > > etc
> > >
> > > AFAIK: This is the best tool out there for Webifying
> > > any PB application!
> > >
> > > Regards ... Chris
> > > President: OSUG / STD Inc.
> > > Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> > > PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> > > SourceForge:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >
> > > "TEric" wrote in message
> > > news:4dd6a20e.58cc.1681692777@sybase.com...
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to get some insight on how good (or bad,
> > > depending on how you look at it) appeon performance is
> > > with Powerbuilder. Particularly, Powerbuilder 12 with
> > > MSSQL Server 2008 on the back end. I was tasked to
> > > figure out a way to deploy our PB application on the
> > > web and appeon seems to be a good candidate to do it.
> > > Also, does it work with a PFC architecture?
> > >
> > > I'll appreciate any insight you can share.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >