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PB 15 - This is what we need

54 posts in PB Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2011-09-29 21:18:03.0Z
Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-25 02:42:14.0Z
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Hi Everyone;

Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).

Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't PB
*Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer to do
this right out-of-the-box???????

It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive fashion.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)

PB_Classic_Application.png

Brett Rosenblatt Posted on 2011-09-25 11:43:52.0Z
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Nice work Chris!

On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> Hi Everyone;
>
> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>
> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>
> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
> fashion.
>
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


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Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
is somebody else's work.

Brett Rosenblatt <luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice work Chris!
>
> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Hi Everyone;
>>
>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>
>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>
>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>> fashion.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Brett Rosenblatt Posted on 2011-09-25 18:33:04.0Z
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Hey Brad...sorry about the misstep. Nice work!

On 9/25/2011 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
> is somebody else's work.
>
> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nice work Chris!
>>
>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>
>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>
>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>
>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-26 21:48:51.0Z
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Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
"self-promotion" theme that you have implied?

Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
something wrong with that.

As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.

just sayin

On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
> is somebody else's work.
>
> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nice work Chris!
>>
>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>
>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>
>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>
>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Bruce Armstrong Posted on 2011-09-27 02:42:32.0Z
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No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
Chris' work rather proves the problem.

On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:

>Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>"self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>
>Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>something wrong with that.
>
>As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>
>just sayin
>
>
>On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>> is somebody else's work.
>>
>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>
>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>
>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>
>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>> fashion.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


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I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
and classless IMO

On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>
> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>
> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>
>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>
>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>> something wrong with that.
>>
>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>
>> just sayin
>>
>>
>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>
>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>
>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


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Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
reading.

todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary and classless IMO
>
>
> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>
>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>
>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>> something wrong with that.
>>>
>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>
>>> just sayin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>
>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-27 13:30:33.0Z
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Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted the
"...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's work"

The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay

BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment that
way as well
...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"

....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?

On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
> reading.
>
> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary and classless IMO
>>
>>
>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>
>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>
>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>
>>>> just sayin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-27 13:35:06.0Z
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I have a solution for Bruce ... "prozac". :-)

"todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e81cff9$1@forums-1-dub...
> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted the
> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's work"
>
> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>
> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment that way
> as well
> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>
> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>
>
> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>> reading.
>>
>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
>>> and classless IMO
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>> preceded
>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>> find
>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>> means
>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>> that this
>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>> himself can
>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> :-)
>


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That's the point. You added your own interpretation, and then blamed me
for what you read into it.

todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted the
> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's work"
>
> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>
> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment that way as well
> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>
> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>
>
> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>> reading.
>>
>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>> unnecessary and classless IMO
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-27 19:33:13.0Z
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Well news flash, I wasn't the only one. And you still haven't corrected
me by explaining what you really meant....that leaves me wondering

On 27/09/11 3:14 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> That's the point. You added your own interpretation, and then blamed me
> for what you read into it.
>
> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted the
>> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's work"
>>
>> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>>
>> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment that way as well
>> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>>
>> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>>
>>
>> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>>> reading.
>>>
>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>> unnecessary and classless IMO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


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Try reading the comment at face value as an observation without applying
any other hidden motives to it. You'll find that it reads quite well that
way too.

todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
> Well news flash, I wasn't the only one. And you still haven't corrected
> me by explaining what you really meant....that leaves me wondering
>
> On 27/09/11 3:14 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>> That's the point. You added your own interpretation, and then blamed me
>> for what you read into it.
>>
>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted the
>>> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's work"
>>>
>>> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>>>
>>> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment that way as well
>>> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>>>
>>> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>>>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>>>> reading.
>>>>
>>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>>> unnecessary and classless IMO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that this
>>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Jonathan Baker [Sybase] Posted on 2011-09-28 14:11:28.0Z
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This sounds like a case study for one side of our internal discussion on
"allowing anonymous postings" on the forums.

For the record, I've officially changed my mind. I'm now against it.



Cheers,
Jonathan

On 9/27/2011 4:37 PM, todolistneverends wrote:
> Umm, I did the first time....without bias, same as any other message I
> read. In fact, I read it many times over before I even made my original
> comment, in order to give you the benefit of the doubt. And, I have read
> it several times since and after all that it still has an odor to it.
> Remember the OP? He thought so too.
>
> Chris can speak for himself, but for me it's your use of the word
> "finally". Sorry, but that word carries attitude and emotion behind it
> and to me leaps right off the page like you were frustrated or PO'd or
> (insert applicable emotion here).
>
>
> On 27/09/11 3:40 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>> Try reading the comment at face value as an observation without applying
>> any other hidden motives to it. You'll find that it reads quite well that
>> way too.
>>
>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>> Well news flash, I wasn't the only one. And you still haven't corrected
>>> me by explaining what you really meant....that leaves me wondering
>>>
>>> On 27/09/11 3:14 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> That's the point. You added your own interpretation, and then blamed me
>>>> for what you read into it.
>>>>
>>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I
>>>>> misinterpreted the
>>>>> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's
>>>>> work"
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment
>>>>> that way as well
>>>>> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>>>>>
>>>>> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>>>>>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>>>>>> reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>>>>> unnecessary and classless IMO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem
>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll
>>>>>>>>> note he
>>>>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you
>>>>>>>>> would find
>>>>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by
>>>>>>>>> all means
>>>>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally
>>>>>>>>>> notes that this
>>>>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>> ... this was
>>>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>>>> himself can
>>>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB
>>>>>>>>>>>> ) why can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>> PB developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make your
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!! :-)
>


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-28 21:40:53.0Z
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Go ahead, that will certainly boost PB participation and sales

So what is wrong with thinking a comment is out of line and challenging
the individual on it? Would it really change the subsequent responses if
a name is behind it? Hardly.

In the meantime you can always exercise your right and not follow this
thread if you don't like it

On 28/09/11 10:11 AM, Jonathan Baker [Sybase] wrote:
> This sounds like a case study for one side of our internal discussion on
> "allowing anonymous postings" on the forums.
>
> For the record, I've officially changed my mind. I'm now against it.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 9/27/2011 4:37 PM, todolistneverends wrote:
>> Umm, I did the first time....without bias, same as any other message I
>> read. In fact, I read it many times over before I even made my original
>> comment, in order to give you the benefit of the doubt. And, I have read
>> it several times since and after all that it still has an odor to it.
>> Remember the OP? He thought so too.
>>
>> Chris can speak for himself, but for me it's your use of the word
>> "finally". Sorry, but that word carries attitude and emotion behind it
>> and to me leaps right off the page like you were frustrated or PO'd or
>> (insert applicable emotion here).
>>
>>
>> On 27/09/11 3:40 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>> Try reading the comment at face value as an observation without applying
>>> any other hidden motives to it. You'll find that it reads quite well
>>> that
>>> way too.
>>>
>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>> Well news flash, I wasn't the only one. And you still haven't corrected
>>>> me by explaining what you really meant....that leaves me wondering
>>>>
>>>> On 27/09/11 3:14 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>> That's the point. You added your own interpretation, and then
>>>>> blamed me
>>>>> for what you read into it.
>>>>>
>>>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>> Then by all means please correct me and tell me how I
>>>>>> misinterpreted the
>>>>>> "...Chris FINALLY(emphasis mine) notes that this is somebody else's
>>>>>> work"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole sentence reeks of attempted plagiarism by omission or delay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW judging by Chris's comment this morning he took your comment
>>>>>> that way as well
>>>>>> ...."I don't believe that I ever said I built it"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....or am I misinterpreting his comment as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/09/11 1:55 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Really? What did I say about character and motives? I think you're
>>>>>>> reading a lot in there and making your own accusations based on that
>>>>>>> reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>>>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>>>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>>>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>>>>>> unnecessary and classless IMO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem
>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll
>>>>>>>>>> note he
>>>>>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the
>>>>>>>>>> third
>>>>>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you
>>>>>>>>>> would find
>>>>>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by
>>>>>>>>>> all means
>>>>>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally
>>>>>>>>>>> notes that this
>>>>>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... this was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) why can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!! :-)
>>


Roland Smith [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-29 12:06:47.0Z
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> So what is wrong with thinking a comment is out of line and challenging
> the individual on it?

Because this is supposed to be a newgroup for discussing the future of
PowerBuilder, not whether someone uses correct grammer or whether someone is
being snarky or whatever it is you are arguing about.


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-29 13:45:52.0Z
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I agree 100%.....I wish this thread never existed. I was disappointed
with what I read and felt I had no choice but to call him on it.

I still stand on that conviction, so shoot me for doing so

On 29/09/11 8:06 AM, Roland Smith [TeamSybase] wrote:
>> So what is wrong with thinking a comment is out of line and challenging
>> the individual on it?
>
> Because this is supposed to be a newgroup for discussing the future of
> PowerBuilder, not whether someone uses correct grammer or whether someone is
> being snarky or whatever it is you are arguing about.
>
>


Dave Fish [Sybase] Posted on 2011-09-29 21:18:03.0Z
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In fairness to Bruce, the comments made against him in this thread far
exceed any perceived negative comment he made IMHO.

Unfortunately this thread has devolved far from its original intent
which was to praise Brad for the great UI work he's done on
QweryBuilder. Perhaps it is time to bring it to a close and move on.

Regards,
Dave Fish
Sybase

PowerBuilder Blog:
http://blogs.sybase.com/powerbuilder/

On 29 Sep 2011 06:45:52 -0700, todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:

>I agree 100%.....I wish this thread never existed. I was disappointed
>with what I read and felt I had no choice but to call him on it.
>
>I still stand on that conviction, so shoot me for doing so
>
>On 29/09/11 8:06 AM, Roland Smith [TeamSybase] wrote:
>>> So what is wrong with thinking a comment is out of line and challenging
>>> the individual on it?
>>
>> Because this is supposed to be a newgroup for discussing the future of
>> PowerBuilder, not whether someone uses correct grammer or whether someone is
>> being snarky or whatever it is you are arguing about.
>>
>>


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-28 22:24:59.0Z
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Well said Troy

On 28/09/11 5:53 PM, Troy wrote:
> Call the SAP CRM folks and ask them for research on Social CRM. Although
> I think you were joking, the research tells you that people give you
> more of a honest opinion when they are not tied to an identity. People
> are getting fired now for posting views on facebook and twitter that
> differ from their employer's. Some of the feedback is unadulterated at
> times but it's honest feedback none the less.
>
> Then come security concerns. I know PB isn't used for web all that much
> but just by posting here you are telling someone that you use PB. Give
> enough detail about a problem and they will know where. Narrow the
> attack vector enough and folks will seek known exploits or zero day
> problems with core technologies and attack your systems. We actually had
> our external security company come in with a list of email addresses and
> software that they confimed we used. Thanks Google.
>
> The rules are fine as long as they apply to both sides. Lock us out and
> you will have fanboi central around here. Which is fine if you just want
> the sunshine without the rain.
>
> Troy


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-27 11:59:56.0Z
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In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger somewhere
else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
Politian's have the same approach.

Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture (Q*wery*Builder)
before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)

"todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
> and classless IMO
>
>
> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>
>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>
>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>> something wrong with that.
>>>
>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>
>>> just sayin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that
>>>> this
>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>
>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>> :-)
>


todolistneverends Posted on 2011-09-27 17:44:32.0Z
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But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
respondents thought you created it<g>

On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger somewhere
> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
> Politian's have the same approach.
>
> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture (Q*wery*Builder)
> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>
>
> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
>> and classless IMO
>>
>>
>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>
>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>
>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>
>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>
>>>> just sayin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that
>>>>> this
>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>> :-)
>>
>
>


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I think Brett's 1st post through them off ... LOL!
:-)

"todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e820b80$1@forums-1-dub...
> But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
> respondents thought you created it<g>
>
> On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger
>> somewhere
>> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
>> Politian's have the same approach.
>>
>> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture
>> (Q*wery*Builder)
>> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>>
>>
>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>> news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
>>> and classless IMO
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>> preceded
>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>> find
>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>> means
>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Spin doctors and politicians love stats like that

On 27/09/11 2:02 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> I think Brett's 1st post through them off ... LOL!
> :-)
>
>
> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e820b80$1@forums-1-dub...
>> But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
>> respondents thought you created it<g>
>>
>> On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger
>>> somewhere
>>> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
>>> Politian's have the same approach.
>>>
>>> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture
>>> (Q*wery*Builder)
>>> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>>> news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
>>>> and classless IMO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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Oooops ... spell checker got me again .... "Threw them off".

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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>
> I think Brett's 1st post through them off ... LOL!
> :-)
>
>
> "todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message
> news:4e820b80$1@forums-1-dub...
>> But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
>> respondents thought you created it<g>
>>
>> On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger
>>> somewhere
>>> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
>>> Politian's have the same approach.
>>>
>>> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture
>>> (Q*wery*Builder)
>>> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>>> news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>> unnecessary
>>>> and classless IMO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Brett Rosenblatt Posted on 2011-09-28 12:11:07.0Z
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Wait...which Brett?

On 9/27/2011 2:02 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> I think Brett's 1st post through them off ... LOL!
> :-)
>
>
> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e820b80$1@forums-1-dub...
>> But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
>> respondents thought you created it<g>
>>
>> On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger
>>> somewhere
>>> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
>>> Politian's have the same approach.
>>>
>>> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture
>>> (Q*wery*Builder)
>>> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>>> news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally unnecessary
>>>> and classless IMO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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You. .... "Nice work Chris". :-)

Personally, I have no problem with your 1st post. A simple, oh - "Chris was
referring to Brad's work" and end the thread would have been all that was
necessary but, someone likes to be the centre of attention, get everyone
excited and off course for nothing. LOL

Have a great day!

"Brett Rosenblatt" <luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wait...which Brett?
>
> On 9/27/2011 2:02 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> I think Brett's 1st post through them off ... LOL!
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>> news:4e820b80$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> But he has statistics to back it up.....until my post 100% of the
>>> respondents thought you created it<g>
>>>
>>> On 27/09/11 7:59 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> In Bruce's case, he just loves to argue and point the finger
>>>> somewhere
>>>> else instead of admitting he made a mistake. I have noticed that many
>>>> Politian's have the same approach.
>>>>
>>>> Usually, one reads the entire post and looks at the picture
>>>> (Q*wery*Builder)
>>>> before responding. I don't believe that I ever said I built it. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e81479b@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> I'm not arguing that correction is required for the one responder.
>>>>> However, you could have just politely pointed out he got it wrong.
>>>>> Instead, you took the low road and went out of your way to make an
>>>>> unfounded accusation about character and motives.....totally
>>>>> unnecessary
>>>>> and classless IMO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/09/11 10:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>>>>>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>>>>>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends<xx@xx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>>>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>>>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line,
>>>>>>> preceded
>>>>>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>>>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>>>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> something wrong with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just sayin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ...
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-27 11:53:32.0Z
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Your just jealous because I had more post this month than you (I think
you stated 150). For some reason you seem to be the self-appointed "hall
monitor" and have way too much time on you hands counting how many times
someone else posts.! :-)

"Bruce Armstrong" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>
> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
>
>>Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>"self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>
>>Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>something wrong with that.
>>
>>As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>
>>just sayin
>>
>>
>>On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that
>>> this
>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>
>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>> can
>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>> can't
>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>> developer
>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>
>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>> :-)


Roland Smith [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-27 12:29:10.0Z
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There is a query he runs against the newsgroup server so doesn't take much
time.

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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>
> Your just jealous because I had more post this month than you (I think
> you stated 150). For some reason you seem to be the self-appointed "hall
> monitor" and have way too much time on you hands counting how many times
> someone else posts.! :-)
>
>
>
> "Bruce Armstrong" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1vd287h5nhasgbf43ntedu3pjmajkoh2gi@4ax.com...
>>
>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>
>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
>>
>>>Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>>starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>>paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>>by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>>"self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>
>>>Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>>writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>>something wrong with that.
>>>
>>>As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>>take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>
>>>just sayin
>>>
>>>
>>>On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that
>>>> this
>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>
>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>> :-)
>
>


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Right! You got it. I'm jealous of everybody that has more post than me.
Of course, that would also include a number of other TeamSybase members and
that explains why I'm always arguing with them too. Or perhaps not.

TeamSybase are the hall monitors. Appointed by Sybase.

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> Your just jealous because I had more post this month than you (I think
> you stated 150). For some reason you seem to be the self-appointed "hall
> monitor" and have way too much time on you hands counting how many times
> someone else posts.! :-)
>
>
>
> "Bruce Armstrong" <NOCANSPAM_bruce.armstrong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1vd287h5nhasgbf43ntedu3pjmajkoh2gi@4ax.com...
>>
>> No, if he mentioned Brad first I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
>> The fact that one of the responders did misinterpret it as being
>> Chris' work rather proves the problem.
>>
>> On 26 Sep 2011 14:48:51 -0700, todolistneverends <xx@xx> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, just me but if you clean your anti-chris glasses you'll note he
>>> starts to point the praise toward Brad by description in the third
>>> paragraph and then quite convincingly by name on the last line, preceded
>>> by a "Grrrrrrrrrrreat" no less. Where in all of that do you see a
>>> "self-promotion" theme that you have implied?
>>>
>>> Chris may not always be on target but why the need to slam him for
>>> writing style? Somehow I think if he mentioned Brad first you would find
>>> something wrong with that.
>>>
>>> As far as debating tangible facts as in other threads then by all means
>>> take the gloves off, that is expected and sometimes entertaining.
>>>
>>> just sayin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/09/11 10:39 AM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
>>>> Take another look. At the very last sentance Chris finally notes that
>>>> this
>>>> is somebody else's work.
>>>>
>>>> Brett Rosenblatt<luckybrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nice work Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/2011 10:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>> :-)


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-27 21:14:20.0Z
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I had to... because it's funny.



Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft
www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui

On 27/09/2011 3:54 PM, Troy wrote:
> I am cat-like too. Watch out TS!

whyyounoliketeamsybase.png

Arnd Schmidt Posted on 2011-09-25 12:27:52.0Z
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Hey Chris,

Brad is not the only person responsible for this class library via PowerBuilder.

But yeah, the sceenshot of his _commercial_ software looks great ... for a PB application.

Arnd

On 24 Sep 2011 19:42:14 -0700, "Chris Pollach" <cpollach.at.travel-net.dot.com> wrote:

>Hi Everyone;
>
> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>
> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't PB
>*Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer to do
>this right out-of-the-box???????
>
> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive fashion.
>
>Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-26 01:43:20.0Z
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Hi Arnd;

Yes - looks just as good as a WPF application to me!
Why can't Sybase just add things like this as native controls to PB Classic?

Are you contributing to Brad's work as well?

Regards ... Chris



"Arnd Schmidt" wrote in message
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Hey Chris,

Brad is not the only person responsible for this class library via
PowerBuilder.

But yeah, the sceenshot of his _commercial_ software looks great ... for a
PB application.

Arnd



On 24 Sep 2011 19:42:14 -0700, "Chris Pollach"

<cpollach.at.travel-net.dot.com> wrote:

>Hi Everyone;
>
> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>
> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
> can
>develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't PB
>*Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer to do
>this right out-of-the-box???????
>
> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>fashion.
>
>Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-26 13:57:48.0Z
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Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
(see attached). :)

Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft

On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> Hi Everyone;
>
> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>
> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>
> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
> fashion.
>
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)

QBRibbon.png

Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-26 14:38:25.0Z
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U DA Man ... Mr GUI! :-)

"Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
> (see attached). :)
>
> Brad Wery
> www.werysoft.com
> www.twitter.com/bradwery
> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>
> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Hi Everyone;
>>
>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>
>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>
>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>> fashion.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>


Chris Craft Posted on 2011-09-27 17:33:29.0Z
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Brad,

Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!

Chris Craft

"Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
> (see attached). :)
>
> Brad Wery
> www.werysoft.com
> www.twitter.com/bradwery
> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>
> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Hi Everyone;
>>
>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>
>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>
>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>> fashion.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-27 17:38:03.0Z
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This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I
have one last thing to add then it will be released along with some
other enhancements and fixes to the other controls.

Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft
www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui

On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>
> Chris Craft
>
> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>> (see attached). :)
>>
>> Brad Wery
>> www.werysoft.com
>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>
>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>
>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>
>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>
>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>>
>
>


Chris Craft Posted on 2011-09-27 18:05:00.0Z
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Glad to hear that! Would one of those 'other' features be a way to float
the windows that are docked?

Thanks again,
Chris Craft

"Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e8209fb@forums-1-dub...
> This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I have
> one last thing to add then it will be released along with some other
> enhancements and fixes to the other controls.
>
> Brad Wery
> www.werysoft.com
> www.twitter.com/bradwery
> www.twitter.com/werysoft
> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>
> On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>> Brad,
>>
>> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>>
>> Chris Craft
>>
>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>>> (see attached). :)
>>>
>>> Brad Wery
>>> www.werysoft.com
>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>
>>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>
>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>
>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>> can
>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>> developer
>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>
>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>> fashion.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>>>
>>
>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-27 18:19:36.0Z
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Hi Chris;

This might be a good opportunity to marry Brad's new UI with PB 15
classic. Dave Fish demonstrated PB 15 Classic the other day in the Futures
webinar and show us a working example application with dockable
panes/panels! Looks like this would be a good marriage in functionality to
me.

The real bonus though would be if Sybase implemented Brad's objects as
native controls in PB 15 Classic. Not to knock Brad's work - which I think
has paved the way for Sybase Engineering (maybe they should <wink> hire him
as a consultant on this one </wink>) - but adding these natively and
supported by the vendor would add more credibility to PB in the market place
(IMHO). :-)

--
Regards ... Chris
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"Chris Craft" <NOChrisATfamoussoftwareDOTcom> wrote in message
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> Glad to hear that! Would one of those 'other' features be a way to float
> the windows that are docked?
>
> Thanks again,
> Chris Craft
>
> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e8209fb@forums-1-dub...
>> This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I have
>> one last thing to add then it will be released along with some other
>> enhancements and fixes to the other controls.
>>
>> Brad Wery
>> www.werysoft.com
>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>>
>> On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>>>
>>> Chris Craft
>>>
>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>>>> (see attached). :)
>>>>
>>>> Brad Wery
>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>
>>>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>> can
>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>> can't
>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>> developer
>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>
>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-27 18:23:57.0Z
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That one has not been added yet.

Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft
www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui

On 27/09/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
> Glad to hear that! Would one of those 'other' features be a way to float
> the windows that are docked?
>
> Thanks again,
> Chris Craft
>
> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e8209fb@forums-1-dub...
>> This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I have
>> one last thing to add then it will be released along with some other
>> enhancements and fixes to the other controls.
>>
>> Brad Wery
>> www.werysoft.com
>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>>
>> On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>>>
>>> Chris Craft
>>>
>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>>>> (see attached). :)
>>>>
>>>> Brad Wery
>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>
>>>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>> can
>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>> developer
>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>
>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


Chris Craft Posted on 2011-09-28 00:02:51.0Z
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Bummer, would REALLY like to see that one! Thanks again Brad.

Chris Craft

"Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e8214bd$1@forums-1-dub...
> That one has not been added yet.
>
> Brad Wery
> www.werysoft.com
> www.twitter.com/bradwery
> www.twitter.com/werysoft
> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>
> On 27/09/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>> Glad to hear that! Would one of those 'other' features be a way to float
>> the windows that are docked?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Chris Craft
>>
>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e8209fb@forums-1-dub...
>>> This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I
>>> have
>>> one last thing to add then it will be released along with some other
>>> enhancements and fixes to the other controls.
>>>
>>> Brad Wery
>>> www.werysoft.com
>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>>>
>>> On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>>>>
>>>> Chris Craft
>>>>
>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>>>>> (see attached). :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-29 18:10:27.0Z
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That enhancement is on the radar. Getting the window out of PowerDock
and into a floating window should be easy, it's the getting it back into
PowerDock that requires some thinking.

Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft
www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui

On 27/09/2011 7:02 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
> Bummer, would REALLY like to see that one! Thanks again Brad.
>
> Chris Craft
>
> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e8214bd$1@forums-1-dub...
>> That one has not been added yet.
>>
>> Brad Wery
>> www.werysoft.com
>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>>
>> On 27/09/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>>> Glad to hear that! Would one of those 'other' features be a way to float
>>> the windows that are docked?
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Chris Craft
>>>
>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e8209fb@forums-1-dub...
>>>> This is a new control that will be part of the UI Control package. I
>>>> have
>>>> one last thing to add then it will be released along with some other
>>>> enhancements and fixes to the other controls.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Wery
>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>> www.twitter.com/powerbuildergui
>>>>
>>>> On 27/09/2011 12:33 PM, Chris Craft wrote:
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a new control in PB UI Controls? You are holding out on us!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Craft
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e8084dc@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Thanks for the "plug". Although, that UI is so last week... literally
>>>>>> (see attached). :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/09/2011 9:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


Trevor Holyoak Posted on 2011-09-27 15:40:30.0Z
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If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
embedded, but why would we want to do this to our users? They already
hate Office, why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe
this is the biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.

- Trevor

On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> Hi Everyone;
>
> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>
> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>
> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
> fashion.
>
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)


<jeff> Posted on 2011-09-27 16:03:25.0Z
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Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.

Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the screen' for
the end-user.

"Trevor Holyoak" <trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
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> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be embedded,
> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate Office,
> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is the
> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>
> - Trevor
>
> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Hi Everyone;
>>
>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>
>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>
>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>> fashion.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>
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Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-27 16:32:16.0Z
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I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you
to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe
Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all
the time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
need is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
convenient).

You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't use
it simply for the sake of using it.

Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You should
end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
toolbar\menu scheme.


Brad Wery
www.werysoft.com
www.twitter.com/bradwery
www.twitter.com/werysoft

On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>
> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the screen' for
> the end-user.
>
>
> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be embedded,
>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate Office,
>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is the
>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>
>> - Trevor
>>
>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>
>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>
>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself can
>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB developer
>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>
>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-27 18:09:21.0Z
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I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both UI's -
but, advise the business users of the pros & cons of each UI. However, when
the user says I want it that way and they are funding the IT development
budget - it would be nice to have this type of option native in the PB IDE.
The same goes for the consultant who has to develop using this UI because
the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not having these options in PB's
tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our chances of selling developers, IT
and business users on the use of PB.

"Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you to
>put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe Word
>is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all the time
>to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I need is
>right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very convenient).
>
> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't use
> it simply for the sake of using it.
>
> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You should
> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
> toolbar\menu scheme.
>
>
> Brad Wery
> www.werysoft.com
> www.twitter.com/bradwery
> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>
> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>
>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the screen'
>> for
>> the end-user.
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>> embedded,
>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate Office,
>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is the
>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>
>>> - Trevor
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>
>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>
>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>> can
>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why can't
>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>> developer
>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>
>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>> fashion.
>>>>
>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!! :-)
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" Posted on 2011-09-29 01:31:45.0Z
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> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts
> our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.

I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that adding
a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost universally
panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to corporate IT
development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you really believe that?
Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>
> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both UI's -
> but, advise the business users of the pros & cons of each UI. However,
> when the user says I want it that way and they are funding the IT
> development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option native
> in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to develop using
> this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not having these
> options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our chances of
> selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.
>
>
>
> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you to
>>put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe Word
>>is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all the time
>>to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I need is
>>right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very convenient).
>>
>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't use
>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>
>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You should
>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>
>>
>> Brad Wery
>> www.werysoft.com
>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>
>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>
>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the screen'
>>> for
>>> the end-user.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>> embedded,
>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>> Office,
>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is the
>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>
>>>> - Trevor
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this was
>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>> can
>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>> can't
>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>> developer
>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>
>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make your
>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a development
>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>
>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-29 11:32:36.0Z
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Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers & my new blue jeans .. then come
on over and tell me why your leavin me".

As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na. na -
hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)

"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use
>> of PB.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you really
> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>
>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros & cons of each UI.
>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding the
>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to develop
>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our
>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you
>>>to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe
>>>Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all the
>>>time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I need
>>>is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>convenient).
>>>
>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't use
>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>
>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You should
>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad Wery
>>> www.werysoft.com
>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>
>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>
>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>> screen' for
>>>> the end-user.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>> embedded,
>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>> Office,
>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is
>>>>> the
>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>
>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>
>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Brett Weaver Posted on 2011-09-29 11:48:23.0Z
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Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
games like Hockey!
I guess the singing is all in soprano?
:-)
Seriously, lets get back to business eh?


On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"

<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:

>
>Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers & my new blue jeans .. then come
>on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>
>As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na. na -
>hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>
>
>
>"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use
>>> of PB.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you really
>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>
>> --
>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>
>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>
>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros & cons of each UI.
>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding the
>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to develop
>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our
>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you
>>>>to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe
>>>>Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all the
>>>>time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I need
>>>>is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>convenient).
>>>>
>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't use
>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>
>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You should
>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brad Wery
>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>
>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>> screen' for
>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB Classic ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by himself
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>
>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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ROFL ... the Canadian National Rugby team is located just a few miles away
from where I live just outside of Ottawa! :-)

http://eorugby.com/twin-elm

"Brett Weaver" <bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
news:akm8871rg2tctbhsrm9jfdokuv3cele4j0@4ax.com...
> Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
> games like Hockey!
> I guess the singing is all in soprano?
> :-)
> Seriously, lets get back to business eh?
>
>
> On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers & my new blue jeans .. then come
>>on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>>
>>As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na. na -
>>hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>>news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the
>>>> use
>>>> of PB.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you
>>> really
>>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>
>>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>
>>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros & cons of each UI.
>>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding the
>>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to
>>>> develop
>>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our
>>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you
>>>>>to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe
>>>>>Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all
>>>>>the
>>>>>time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
>>>>>need
>>>>>is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>>convenient).
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't
>>>>> use
>>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You
>>>>> should
>>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
>>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>>> screen' for
>>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


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better talk about futures or the gestapo might take action<g>

On 29/09/11 10:02 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> ROFL ... the Canadian National Rugby team is located just a few miles away
> from where I live just outside of Ottawa! :-)
>
> http://eorugby.com/twin-elm
>
>
>
>
> "Brett Weaver"<bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
> news:akm8871rg2tctbhsrm9jfdokuv3cele4j0@4ax.com...
>> Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
>> games like Hockey!
>> I guess the singing is all in soprano?
>> :-)
>> Seriously, lets get back to business eh?
>>
>>
>> On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"
>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers& my new blue jeans .. then come
>>> on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>>>
>>> As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na. na -
>>> hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul Horan[Sybase]"<phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>>> news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the
>>>>> use
>>>>> of PB.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>>>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>>>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>>>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you
>>>> really
>>>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros& cons of each UI.
>>>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding the
>>>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to
>>>>> develop
>>>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts our
>>>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of PB.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing you
>>>>>> to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users. Maybe
>>>>>> Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>>> convenient).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the traditional
>>>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>>>> screen' for
>>>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ... this
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a cohesive
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder - eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>


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ROFLMAO

"todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e847ed5$1@forums-1-dub...
> better talk about futures or the gestapo might take action<g>
>
>
> On 29/09/11 10:02 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> ROFL ... the Canadian National Rugby team is located just a few miles
>> away
>> from where I live just outside of Ottawa! :-)
>>
>> http://eorugby.com/twin-elm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brett Weaver"<bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:akm8871rg2tctbhsrm9jfdokuv3cele4j0@4ax.com...
>>> Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
>>> games like Hockey!
>>> I guess the singing is all in soprano?
>>> :-)
>>> Seriously, lets get back to business eh?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"
>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers& my new blue jeans .. then
>>>> come
>>>> on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>>>>
>>>> As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na.
>>>> na -
>>>> hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul Horan[Sybase]"<phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>>>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> of PB.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>>>>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>>>>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>>>>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you
>>>>> really
>>>>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>>>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros& cons of each UI.
>>>>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>>>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to
>>>>>> develop
>>>>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>>>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of
>>>>>> PB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users.
>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>> Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>>>> convenient).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the
>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>>>>> screen' for
>>>>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ...
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-09-29 14:37:29.0Z
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Is this a picture of what you are referring to? :-)

"todolistneverends" <xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e847ed5$1@forums-1-dub...
> better talk about futures or the gestapo might take action<g>
>
>
> On 29/09/11 10:02 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>> ROFL ... the Canadian National Rugby team is located just a few miles
>> away
>> from where I live just outside of Ottawa! :-)
>>
>> http://eorugby.com/twin-elm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brett Weaver"<bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:akm8871rg2tctbhsrm9jfdokuv3cele4j0@4ax.com...
>>> Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
>>> games like Hockey!
>>> I guess the singing is all in soprano?
>>> :-)
>>> Seriously, lets get back to business eh?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"
>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers& my new blue jeans .. then
>>>> come
>>>> on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>>>>
>>>> As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na.
>>>> na -
>>>> hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul Horan[Sybase]"<phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>>>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> of PB.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>>>>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>>>>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>>>>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you
>>>>> really
>>>>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>>>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros& cons of each UI.
>>>>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>>>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to
>>>>>> develop
>>>>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>>>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of
>>>>>> PB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users.
>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>> Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>>>> convenient).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the
>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>>>>> screen' for
>>>>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ...
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

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Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-09-29 17:35:23.0Z
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On 9/29/2011 10:37 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
> Is this a picture of what you are referring to? :-)
>
>
> "todolistneverends"<xx@xx> wrote in message news:4e847ed5$1@forums-1-dub...
>> better talk about futures or the gestapo might take action<g>
>>
>>
>> On 29/09/11 10:02 AM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> ROFL ... the Canadian National Rugby team is located just a few miles
>>> away
>>> from where I live just outside of Ottawa! :-)
>>>
>>> http://eorugby.com/twin-elm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brett Weaver"<bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:akm8871rg2tctbhsrm9jfdokuv3cele4j0@4ax.com...
>>>> Canada should focus on manly games like Rugby and forget the soft
>>>> games like Hockey!
>>>> I guess the singing is all in soprano?
>>>> :-)
>>>> Seriously, lets get back to business eh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Sep 2011 04:32:36 -0700, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Like the song says ... "fetch my slippers& my new blue jeans .. then
>>>>> come
>>>>> on over and tell me why your leavin me".
>>>>>
>>>>> As they sing here in Canada at the home hockey games ... "hey na, na.
>>>>> na -
>>>>> hey, na, na, na - hey, hey ... goodbye" :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul Horan[Sybase]"<phoran AT sybase DOT com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4e83ca81$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> Its not having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that
>>>>>>> hurts our chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> of PB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but that's complete baloney. It's ludicrous to think that
>>>>>> adding a glitzy new ribbon as a native control (one that is almost
>>>>>> universally panned by MS users) would magically open the doors to
>>>>>> corporate IT development, and return PB to it's glory days. Do you
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> believe that? Because THAT's coming across as being really naive...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4e821151$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the key for any PB developer is to be able to offer both
>>>>>>> UI's - but, advise the business users of the pros& cons of each UI.
>>>>>>> However, when the user says I want it that way and they are funding
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> IT development budget - it would be nice to have this type of option
>>>>>>> native in the PB IDE. The same goes for the consultant who has to
>>>>>>> develop
>>>>>>> using this UI because the IT department makes it mandatory. Its not
>>>>>>> having these options in PB's tool chest out-of-the-box that hurts
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> chances of selling developers, IT and business users on the use of
>>>>>>> PB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"<bradwery@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4e81fa90$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>> I think the ribbon serves a purpose. It's a great tool for allowing
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> to put more frequently used functionality in front of your users.
>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>> Word is a bad example because you have to go through so many tabs
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> time to get things done. On the other hand, in Outlook, everything I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> is right in front of me and I never go off the Home tab (very
>>>>>>>> convenient).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have to use it responsibly and in the right situation. You can't
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> it simply for the sake of using it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that the ribbon, in most applications, can be minimized. You
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> end up with more screen real-estate then you had with the
>>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>>> toolbar\menu scheme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad Wery
>>>>>>>> www.werysoft.com
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/werysoft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/09/2011 11:03 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Agree ... 1 / 5 of the real estate gone to a ribbon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks great, but I know I am always fighting to get 'more on the
>>>>>>>>> screen' for
>>>>>>>>> the end-user.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Holyoak"<trevorh@uuinsurance.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4e81ee6e$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>>> If you're talking about the "ribbon," it's great that it can be
>>>>>>>>>> embedded,
>>>>>>>>>> but why would we want to do this to our users? They already hate
>>>>>>>>>> Office,
>>>>>>>>>> why do we want them to hate our PB apps, as well? I believe this
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> biggest UI mistake Microsoft has made this century.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Trevor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2011 8:42 PM, Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, have a look at this image attachment .... guess what ...
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> all done in PB Classic ( Yep - you read that correct - PB
>>>>>>>>>>> Classic ).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now if a nice guy from central Canada working on this all by
>>>>>>>>>>> himself
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> develop applications like this one ( with good old Win32 PB ) why
>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>> PB *Classic* and/or the PFC be changed to allow the regular PB
>>>>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>> to do this right out-of-the-box???????
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It just goes to show you that you do not need WPF or .NET to make
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> applications look good. You just need great controls and a
>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>> environment that lets you assemble these all together in a
>>>>>>>>>>> cohesive
>>>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat job Brad Wery .... Mr QweryBuilder -
>>>>>>>>>>> eh!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>>>>>>>> signature database 6498 (20110927) __________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>