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Support for Windows Phone

40 posts in PB Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2011-12-02 16:13:22.0Z
David Smith Posted on 2011-11-24 14:23:59.0Z
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Has any consideration been given to include support for
Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-24 14:51:23.0Z
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Hi David;

An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at W7
before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has now
officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(

Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.

FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
sales.


--
Regards ... Chris
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

<David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> Has any consideration been given to include support for
> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-24 15:35:28.0Z
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Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices

=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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> Hi David;
>
> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>
> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>
> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
> sales.
>
>
> --
> Regards ... Chris
> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>
>
> <David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>
>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-11-24 19:28:32.0Z
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where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
Nokia.

Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
significant relative growth

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container




On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"

<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:

>
>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>
>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>
>
>
>
>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi David;
>>
>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>
>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>
>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
>> sales.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards ... Chris
>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>
>>
>> <David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>
>>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-24 20:26:44.0Z
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I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for you
to have then WP7 wise. LOL

BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11

"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
> Nokia.
>
> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
> significant relative growth
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>
>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Hi David;
>>>
>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>> have
>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>
>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>
>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected
>>> to
>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>> potential
>>> sales.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards ... Chris
>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>
>>>
>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>
>>>
>>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-11-25 16:52:10.0Z
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Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"

I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)


On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"

<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:

>
> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for you
>to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>
>BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>
>
>
>
>"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>> Nokia.
>>
>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>> significant relative growth
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Hi David;
>>>>
>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>> have
>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected
>>>> to
>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>> potential
>>>> sales.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-25 17:02:04.0Z
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Looks like interesting times ahead for sure on all IT fronts. :-)

Happy Thanksgiving BTW!!!!!

"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
> Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"
>
> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for
>> you
>>to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>
>>BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>> Nokia.
>>>
>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>> significant relative growth
>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>
>>>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>
>>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>>> have
>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking
>>>>> at
>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase
>>>>> has
>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a
>>>>> supported
>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and
>>>>> projected
>>>>> to
>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>>>>> Sybase
>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>>> potential
>>>>> sales.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>


Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 00:51:04.0Z
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Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

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On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
> Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"
>
> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for you
>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>
>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>> Nokia.
>>>
>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>> significant relative growth
>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>
>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>
>>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>>> have
>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market currently and projected
>>>>> to
>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>>> potential
>>>>> sales.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-30 14:21:46.0Z
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Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)

"Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>
> Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do
>
> Product Enhancement Requests: http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187
>
> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"
>>
>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)
>>
>>
>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for
>>> you
>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>
>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>>> Nokia.
>>>>
>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>>> significant relative growth
>>>>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>>
>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart
>>>>> devices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a
>>>>>> supported
>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market currently and
>>>>>> projected
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>>>> potential
>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-11-30 15:01:13.0Z
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no bursting - certainly a referenceable datapoint to be considered
with the rest of them. The trend has been admittedly downwards for
the last quarter or so from the various blurbs I've seen - actual #s
vary considerably though. I think it's safe to say the Nokia deal is
the next major milestone here, what that brings - who knows?

30 Nov 2011 06:21:46 -0800, "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com>

wrote:

>
>Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>
>
>
>"Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>
>> Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do
>>
>> Product Enhancement Requests: http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187
>>
>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
>>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"
>>>
>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
>>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for
>>>> you
>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>
>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>>>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>>>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>>>> significant relative growth
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>>>
>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart
>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a
>>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market currently and
>>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>


Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 18:44:21.0Z
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http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26159.html

Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do

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On 11/30/2011 10:01 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> no bursting - certainly a referenceable datapoint to be considered
> with the rest of them. The trend has been admittedly downwards for
> the last quarter or so from the various blurbs I've seen - actual #s
> vary considerably though. I think it's safe to say the Nokia deal is
> the next major milestone here, what that brings - who knows?
>
> 30 Nov 2011 06:21:46 -0800, "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>
>>> Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do
>>>
>>> Product Enhancement Requests: http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible that Windows
>>>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the smartphone market"
>>>>
>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece that uses
>>>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other photos :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism is a good thing for
>>>>> you
>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...
>>>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>>>>> behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>>>>> also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>>>>> significant relative growth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart
>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a
>>>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market currently and
>>>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>>>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>


Rich Frantz Posted on 2011-11-30 18:54:12.0Z
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For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo

> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>
>
>
> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> >
>
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
> >
> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
> > Product Enhancement Requests:
> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
> smartphone market" >>
> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
> photos :) >>
> >>
> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
> is a good thing for >>> you
> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
> >>>
> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
> >>>
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
> message >>>
> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
> growth >>>>
> >>>>
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> >>>>
>

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
siu-container
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
> other smart devices >>>>>
> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
> other smart >>>>> devices
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> >>>>>> Hi David;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
> for us. :-( >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
> currently and >>>>>> projected
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
> >>>>>> sales.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> >>>>>> SourceForge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
>
>


Mark Posted on 2011-11-30 19:29:07.0Z
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I tried my best to convince my company to buy windows phones instead of
Blackberries but didn't have any luck. They even removed the camera! :(

On 11/30/2011 1:54 PM, Rich Frantz wrote:
> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>
>
>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>> smartphone market">>
>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>> photos :)>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message>>>
>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>> growth>>>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
> siu-container
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" Posted on 2011-12-02 16:13:22.0Z
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With Sybase Afaria, you can have your non-Blackberry smartphone (iOS,
Android, WM 6.x), and IT can set the policy that removes access to the
camera (or whatever...)

(note that Windows Phone 7.x is not yet supported in Afaria 6.6 - that's
coming shortly in 7.0)

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Mark" <mlibner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4ed68403$1@forums-1-dub...
>I tried my best to convince my company to buy windows phones instead of
>Blackberries but didn't have any luck. They even removed the camera! :(
>
> On 11/30/2011 1:54 PM, Rich Frantz wrote:
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>> smartphone market">>
>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>> photos :)>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>> growth>>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>> siu-container
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>


Rick Minucci Posted on 2011-12-02 15:53:43.0Z
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PARANOID....

"Mark" <mlibner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4ed68403$1@forums-1-dub...
>I tried my best to convince my company to buy windows phones instead of
>Blackberries but didn't have any luck. They even removed the camera! :(
>
> On 11/30/2011 1:54 PM, Rich Frantz wrote:
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>> smartphone market">>
>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>> photos :)>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>> growth>>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>> siu-container
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>


Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 19:19:50.0Z
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Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:

Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo, your device or web
browser isn't supported at this time.

-- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
http://casexpress.sybase.com
http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement


"Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...

For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo

> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>
>
>
> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> >
>
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
> >
> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
> > Product Enhancement Requests:
> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
> smartphone market" >>
> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
> photos :) >>
> >>
> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
> is a good thing for >>> you
> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
> >>>
> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
> >>>
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
> message >>>
> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
> growth >>>>
> >>>>
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> >>>>
>

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
siu-container
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
> other smart devices >>>>>
> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
> other smart >>>>> devices
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> >>>>>> Hi David;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
> for us. :-( >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
> currently and >>>>>> projected
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
> >>>>>> sales.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> >>>>>> SourceForge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
>
>


Dave Fish [Sybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 19:26:27.0Z
From: "Dave Fish [Sybase]" <n0Spam__dfish@sybase.com>
Newsgroups: sybase.public.powerbuilder.futures.discussion
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Same on Firefox 8 on W7-32.

On 30 Nov 2011 11:19:50 -0800, "Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]"

<tddykstra@lonepineresources.com> wrote:

>Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>
>Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo, your device or web
>browser isn't supported at this time.
>
>-- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>http://casexpress.sybase.com
>http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>
>
>"Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
>For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>
>
>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>> >
>>
>http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>> >
>> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>> > Product Enhancement Requests:
>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>> smartphone market" >>
>> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>> photos :) >>
>> >>
>> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>> is a good thing for >>> you
>> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>> >>>
>>
>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message >>>
>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
>> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>> growth >>>>
>> >>>>
>>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> >>>>
>>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>siu-container
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart devices >>>>>
>> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart >>>>> devices
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> >>>>>> Hi David;
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>> for us. :-( >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>> currently and >>>>>> projected
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>> >>>>>> sales.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> >>>>>> SourceForge:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>>
>>


Mark Posted on 2011-11-30 19:32:37.0Z
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Chrome 15.0 works!

On 11/30/2011 2:26 PM, Dave Fish [Sybase] wrote:
> Same on Firefox 8 on W7-32.
>
> On 30 Nov 2011 11:19:50 -0800, "Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]"
> <tddykstra@lonepineresources.com> wrote:
>
>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>
>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo, your device or web
>> browser isn't supported at this time.
>>
>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>
>>
>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>> smartphone market">>
>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>> photos :)>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>> growth>>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>> siu-container
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>


Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 20:08:22.0Z
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And W7-64

Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do

Product Enhancement Requests: http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187

On 11/30/2011 2:26 PM, Dave Fish [Sybase] wrote:
> Same on Firefox 8 on W7-32.
>
> On 30 Nov 2011 11:19:50 -0800, "Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]"
> <tddykstra@lonepineresources.com> wrote:
>
>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>
>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo, your device or web
>> browser isn't supported at this time.
>>
>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>
>>
>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>>
>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>> smartphone market">>
>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>> photos :)>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>> growth>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>> siu-container
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>


Rich Frantz Posted on 2011-11-30 20:20:30.0Z
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I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
html5 until ver9.

> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>
> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>
> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
> http://casexpress.sybase.com
> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>
>
> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>
>
> > Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
> > wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> > >
> >
>
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
> > >
> > > Report Bugs to Sybase:
> > http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
> > > Product Enhancement Requests:
> > http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
> > > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> > >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
> > possible that Windows >> Phone will still have less than
> > 10% of the smartphone market" >>
> > >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
> > piece that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
> > on other photos :) >>
> > >>
> > >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> > >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
> > is a good thing for >>> you
> > >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
> > >>>
> >
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message >>>
> > news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
> > where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
> > coming from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
> > around 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
> > Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
> > with >>>> Nokia. >>>>
> > >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
> > IDC and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
> > previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
> > growth >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> > >>>>
> >
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
> siu-container
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> > >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
> > other smart devices >>>>>
> > >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
> > the other smart >>>>> devices
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
> > message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> > >>>>>> Hi David;
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
> > PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
> > >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
> > know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
> > However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
> > >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
> > dead-end for us. :-( >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
> > thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
> > >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
> > enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
> > currently and >>>>>> projected
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
> > am not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
> > >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
> > ROI of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
> > >>>>>> sales.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
> > >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> > >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> > >>>>>> SourceForge:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> > >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> > >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
> > support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
> > the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
> > Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>


Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-11-30 21:33:06.0Z
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According to MSDN
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288472(v=vs.85).aspx) IE8 has
HTML 5 support:

"With full CSS 2.1, strong HTML 5 support, and interoperability fixes for
the Document Object Model (DOM), Internet Explorer 8 has made deliberate
investments in a new layout engine. "

-- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
http://casexpress.sybase.com
http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement

"Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed6900e.35e7.1681692777@sybase.com...

I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
html5 until ver9.

> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>
> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>
> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
> http://casexpress.sybase.com
> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>
>
> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>
>
> > Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
> > wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> > > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> > >
> >
>
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
> > >
> > > Report Bugs to Sybase:
> > http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
> > > Product Enhancement Requests:
> > http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
> > > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> > >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
> > possible that Windows >> Phone will still have less than
> > 10% of the smartphone market" >>
> > >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
> > piece that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
> > on other photos :) >>
> > >>
> > >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> > >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
> > is a good thing for >>> you
> > >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
> > >>>
> >
>
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message >>>
> > news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
> > where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
> > coming from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
> > around 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
> > Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
> > with >>>> Nokia. >>>>
> > >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
> > IDC and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
> > previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
> > growth >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> > >>>>
> >
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
> siu-container
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> > >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
> > other smart devices >>>>>
> > >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
> > the other smart >>>>> devices
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
> > message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> > >>>>>> Hi David;
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
> > PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
> > >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
> > know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
> > However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
> > >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
> > dead-end for us. :-( >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
> > thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
> > >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
> > enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
> > currently and >>>>>> projected
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
> > am not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
> > >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
> > ROI of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
> > >>>>>> sales.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
> > >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> > >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> > >>>>>> SourceForge:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> > >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> > >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
> > support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
> > the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
> > Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-12-01 00:08:32.0Z
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IE is a waste of space. Use Chrome. The site works perfect.

Brad Wery

http://www.werysoft.com
http://www.facebook.com/werysoft
http://www.twitter.com/werysoft
http://www.twitter.com/bradwery

On 11/30/2011 3:33 PM, Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase] wrote:
> According to MSDN
> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288472(v=vs.85).aspx) IE8 has
> HTML 5 support:
>
> "With full CSS 2.1, strong HTML 5 support, and interoperability fixes
> for the Document Object Model (DOM), Internet Explorer 8 has made
> deliberate investments in a new layout engine. "
>
> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
> http://casexpress.sybase.com
> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>
> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed6900e.35e7.1681692777@sybase.com...
>
> I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
> html5 until ver9.
>
>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>
>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
>> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>>
>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>
>>
>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
>> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>> > Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>
>> > >
>> > > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>> > http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>> > > Product Enhancement Requests:
>> > http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>> > > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>> > >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
>> > possible that Windows >> Phone will still have less than
>> > 10% of the smartphone market" >>
>> > >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
>> > piece that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
>> > on other photos :) >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> > >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>> > is a good thing for >>> you
>> > >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>> > >>>
>> > >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>> > >>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> > message >>>
>> > news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>> > where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
>> > coming from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
>> > around 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
>> > Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
>> > with >>>> Nokia. >>>>
>> > >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
>> > IDC and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>> > previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>> > growth >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>
>> > >>>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>
>> siu-container
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> > >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>> > other smart devices >>>>>
>> > >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
>> > the other smart >>>>> devices
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>> > message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > >>>>>> Hi David;
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>> > PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>> > >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>> > know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>> > >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>> > However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>> > >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
>> > dead-end for us. :-( >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>> > thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>> > >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>> > enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>> > currently and >>>>>> projected
>> > >>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
>> > am not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>> > >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
>> > ROI of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>> > >>>>>> sales.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>> > >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> > >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> > >>>>>> SourceForge:
>> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>> > >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> > >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>> > support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>> > the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>> > Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-12-01 03:40:37.0Z
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No love for IE, Brad? Tell me you're not in the 7.9% =>
http://www.ie6countdown.com/

Check out http://ie6funeral.com/ as well :)

(And if you didn't see the other thread, it's not supposed to work in
IE or on the desktop at all)

On 30 Nov 2011 16:08:32 -0800, "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"

<bradweryATgmail.com> wrote:

>IE is a waste of space. Use Chrome. The site works perfect.
>
>Brad Wery
>
>http://www.werysoft.com
>http://www.facebook.com/werysoft
>http://www.twitter.com/werysoft
>http://www.twitter.com/bradwery
>
>On 11/30/2011 3:33 PM, Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase] wrote:
>> According to MSDN
>> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288472(v=vs.85).aspx) IE8 has
>> HTML 5 support:
>>
>> "With full CSS 2.1, strong HTML 5 support, and interoperability fixes
>> for the Document Object Model (DOM), Internet Explorer 8 has made
>> deliberate investments in a new layout engine. "
>>
>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>
>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed6900e.35e7.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
>> html5 until ver9.
>>
>>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>>
>>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
>>> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>>>
>>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
>>> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>
>>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>>
>>>
>>> > Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> > > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>
>>> > >
>>> > > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> > http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>>> > > Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> > http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>>> > > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>> > >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
>>> > possible that Windows >> Phone will still have less than
>>> > 10% of the smartphone market" >>
>>> > >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
>>> > piece that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
>>> > on other photos :) >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> > >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> > is a good thing for >>> you
>>> > >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> > message >>>
>>> > news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>>> > where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
>>> > coming from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
>>> > around 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
>>> > Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
>>> > with >>>> Nokia. >>>>
>>> > >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
>>> > IDC and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> > previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>>> > growth >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>
>>> siu-container
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> > >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> > other smart devices >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
>>> > the other smart >>>>> devices
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> > message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> > >>>>>> Hi David;
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> > PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>>> > >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> > know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>>> > >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> > However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>>> > >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
>>> > dead-end for us. :-( >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> > thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>>> > >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> > enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> > currently and >>>>>> projected
>>> > >>>>>> to
>>> > >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
>>> > am not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>>> > >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
>>> > ROI of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>>> > >>>>>> sales.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> --
>>> > >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>> > >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>> > >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>> > >>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>> > >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>> > >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> > support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> > the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> > Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>


Brad Wery [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-12-01 04:03:55.0Z
From: "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]" <bradweryATgmail.com>
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I'm a fan of MS but man, they don't know how to make browsers. I guess I
saw an opportunity to vent my frustrations. :) I have to use IE8 at work
at I'm constantly shutting it down because it ends up taking half my
computers memory.


Brad Wery

http://www.werysoft.com
http://www.facebook.com/werysoft
http://www.twitter.com/werysoft
http://www.twitter.com/bradwery

On 11/30/2011 9:40 PM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> No love for IE, Brad? Tell me you're not in the 7.9% =>
> http://www.ie6countdown.com/
>
> Check out http://ie6funeral.com/ as well :)
>
> (And if you didn't see the other thread, it's not supposed to work in
> IE or on the desktop at all)
>
> On 30 Nov 2011 16:08:32 -0800, "Brad Wery [TeamSybase]"
> <bradweryATgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> IE is a waste of space. Use Chrome. The site works perfect.
>>
>> Brad Wery
>>
>> http://www.werysoft.com
>> http://www.facebook.com/werysoft
>> http://www.twitter.com/werysoft
>> http://www.twitter.com/bradwery
>>
>> On 11/30/2011 3:33 PM, Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase] wrote:
>>> According to MSDN
>>> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288472(v=vs.85).aspx) IE8 has
>>> HTML 5 support:
>>>
>>> "With full CSS 2.1, strong HTML 5 support, and interoperability fixes
>>> for the Document Object Model (DOM), Internet Explorer 8 has made
>>> deliberate investments in a new layout engine. "
>>>
>>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>>
>>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message news:4ed6900e.35e7.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>
>>> I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
>>> html5 until ver9.
>>>
>>>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>>>
>>>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
>>>> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>>>>
>>>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>>>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>>>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>>>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
>>>> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>
>>>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
>>>>> possible that Windows>> Phone will still have less than
>>>>> 10% of the smartphone market">>
>>>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
>>>>> piece that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed
>>>>> on other photos :)>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> message>>>
>>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
>>>>> coming from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as
>>>>> around 20% of market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind
>>>>> Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
>>>>> with>>>> Nokia.>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
>>>>> IDC and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>>>> growth>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>>
>>>> siu-container
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
>>>>> the other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
>>>>> dead-end for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
>>>>> am not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
>>>>> ROI of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-12-01 14:31:48.0Z
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IE .. the best default installed web browser to allow you to download and
install the real web browser you need! :-))))

<Rich Frantz> wrote in message news:4ed6900e.35e7.1681692777@sybase.com...
>I don't know about other browsers, but I don't think IE got
> html5 until ver9.
>
>> Using IE8 on W7-64 you get the wonderful message:
>>
>> Hello... if you're looking for our Windows Phone demo,
>> your device or web browser isn't supported at this time.
>>
>> -- -- Terry Dykstra [TeamSybase]
>> http://powerbuilder.codeXchange.sybase.com/
>> http://casexpress.sybase.com
>> http://my.isug.com/cgi-bin/1/c/submit_enhancement
>>
>>
>> "Rich Frantz" wrote in message
>> news:4ed67bd4.3009.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>
>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>> > Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>> > >
>> > > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>> > http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>> > > Product Enhancement Requests:
>> > http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>> > > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>> > >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
>> > possible that Windows >> Phone will still have less than
>> > 10% of the smartphone market" >>
>> > >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
>> > piece that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
>> > on other photos :) >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> > >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>> > is a good thing for >>> you
>> > >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>> > >>>
>> > >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>> > >>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> > message >>>
>> > news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>> > where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
>> > coming from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
>> > around 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
>> > Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership
>> > with >>>> Nokia. >>>>
>> > >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
>> > IDC and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>> > previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>> > growth >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> > >>>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>> siu-container
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> > >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>> > other smart devices >>>>>
>> > >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
>> > the other smart >>>>> devices
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>> > message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > >>>>>> Hi David;
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>> > PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>> > >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>> > know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>> > >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>> > However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>> > >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
>> > dead-end for us. :-( >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>> > thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>> > >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>> > enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>> > currently and >>>>>> projected
>> > >>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
>> > am not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>> > >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
>> > ROI of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>> > >>>>>> sales.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>> > >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> > >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> > >>>>>> SourceForge:
>> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>> > >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> > >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>> > support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>> > the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>> > Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
>>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-12-01 03:36:17.0Z
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Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5 browser"....

note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for browsing from
MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an iPhone/Droid user an idea of
what its like to physically interact with a WP7 device. Doing so
from a desktop isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed
to other assets.

More info here:
http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WmPowerUser+%28WM+Power+User%29

It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is URLsniffing is
failing to differentiate in their case.

On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:

>For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>
>
>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>> >
>>
>http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>> >
>> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>> > Product Enhancement Requests:
>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>> smartphone market" >>
>> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>> photos :) >>
>> >>
>> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>> is a good thing for >>> you
>> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>> >>>
>>
>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message >>>
>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
>> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>> growth >>>>
>> >>>>
>>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>> >>>>
>>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>siu-container
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart devices >>>>>
>> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>> other smart >>>>> devices
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> >>>>>> Hi David;
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>> for us. :-( >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>> currently and >>>>>> projected
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>> >>>>>> sales.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> >>>>>> SourceForge:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>>
>>


Rich Frantz Posted on 2011-12-01 14:10:10.0Z
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Ooops. Apologies to all who started making voodoo dolls in
my likeness.

> Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5
> browser"....
>
> note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for
> browsing from MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an
> iPhone/Droid user an idea of what its like to physically
> interact with a WP7 device. Doing so from a desktop
> isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed to
> other assets.
>
> More info here:
>
http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WM+Power+User)
>
> It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is
> URLsniffing is failing to differentiate in their case.
>
> On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:
>
> >For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
> >magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
> >browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
> >
> >
> >> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
> >> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
> >> >
> >>
> >http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones
> /232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News >> >
> >> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
> >> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
> >> > Product Enhancement Requests:
> >> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
> >> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> >> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very
> possible >> that Windows >> Phone will still have less
> than 10% of the >> smartphone market" >>
> >> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence
> piece >> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed
> on other >> photos :) >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim -
> Optimism >> is a good thing for >>> you
> >> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
> >> >>>
> >> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
> >> >>>
> >>
> >http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-h
> ow-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11 >>
> >>> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message >>>
> >> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
> >> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
> coming >> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as
> around 20% of >> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind
> Android. A lot is >> admittedly riding on the partnership
> with >>>> Nokia. >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of
> IDC >> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off
> of >> previous projections, shows >>>> significant
> relative >> growth >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> >http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-win
> dows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314 >> >>>>
> >>
> >http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-mic
> rosoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
> >siu-container >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
> >> other smart devices >>>>>
> >> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to
> the >> other smart >>>>> devices
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote
> in >> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> >> >>>>>> Hi David;
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something
> that >> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
> >> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
> >> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
> >> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
> >> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a
> dead-end >> for us. :-( >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
> >> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
> >> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
> >> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
> >> currently and >>>>>> projected
> >> >>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I
> am >> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
> >> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the
> ROI >> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
> >> >>>>>> sales.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
> >> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> >> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> >> >>>>>> SourceForge:
> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
> >> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
> >> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
> >> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
> >> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>


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No, since Chrome works - it basically shows us the level of HTML5 compliance
of FF and IE. Looks like Google wins! :-)

"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5 browser"....
>
> note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for browsing from
> MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an iPhone/Droid user an idea of
> what its like to physically interact with a WP7 device. Doing so
> from a desktop isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed
> to other assets.
>
> More info here:
> http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WmPowerUser+%28WM+Power+User%29
>
> It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is URLsniffing is
> failing to differentiate in their case.
>
> On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:
>
>>For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>
>>
>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>> >
>>>
>>http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>> >
>>> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>>> > Product Enhancement Requests:
>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>>> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>> smartphone market" >>
>>> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>> photos :) >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>> is a good thing for >>> you
>>> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>> >>>
>>> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>> >>>
>>>
>>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message >>>
>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>>> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>>> growth >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>siu-container
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart devices >>>>>
>>> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>> other smart >>>>> devices
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> >>>>>> Hi David;
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>>> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>> for us. :-( >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>>> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>> currently and >>>>>> projected
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>>> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>>> >>>>>> sales.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>> >>>>>> SourceForge:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-12-02 02:18:59.0Z
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Support for HTML5 not withstanding, you can't logically come to that
conclusion, Chris.

I'm guessing they are using UA sniffing in the application (a
questionable practice at this point), but in essence FF and IE desktop
aren't given the chance to render it. The application developer has
taken that option away. That said, I did try UA Pick on IE9 and
UserAgent Switcher on Firefox, and IE9 is still pretty bad (note
though it's reporting itself as Chrome), and I still couldn't get FF
to show the site, even when spoofing Chrome's User-Agent String. I'm
actually more suspicious about the implementation of the application
than the browser compliance.


On 1 Dec 2011 06:33:52 -0800, "Chris Pollach"

<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:

>
>No, since Chrome works - it basically shows us the level of HTML5 compliance
>of FF and IE. Looks like Google wins! :-)
>
>
>
>
>"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:5qsdd755io5d5rljq1cop22ui3ojcubiek@4ax.com...
>> Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5 browser"....
>>
>> note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for browsing from
>> MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an iPhone/Droid user an idea of
>> what its like to physically interact with a WP7 device. Doing so
>> from a desktop isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed
>> to other assets.
>>
>> More info here:
>> http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WmPowerUser+%28WM+Power+User%29
>>
>> It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is URLsniffing is
>> failing to differentiate in their case.
>>
>> On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:
>>
>>>For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>>magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>>browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>> >
>>>> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>>>> > Product Enhancement Requests:
>>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>>>> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>>> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>>> smartphone market" >>
>>>> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>>> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>>> photos :) >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>>> is a good thing for >>> you
>>>> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message >>>
>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>>> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>>> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>>> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>>>> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>>>> growth >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>>
>>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>> >>>>
>>>>
>>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>>siu-container
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>>> other smart devices >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>>> other smart >>>>> devices
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>>> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> >>>>>> Hi David;
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>>> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>>>> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>>> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>>>> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>>> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>>>> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>>> for us. :-( >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>>> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>>>> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>>> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>>> currently and >>>>>> projected
>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>>> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>>>> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>>> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>>>> >>>>>> sales.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>> >>>>>> SourceForge:
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>>> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>>> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>>> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>


Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase] Posted on 2011-12-02 14:07:31.0Z
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Web site allows users to get the Live Tiles experience on competitive
devices from Apple and Google.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/232200594

I'll be interested to see what the world thinks.

Report Bugs to Sybase: http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do

Product Enhancement Requests: http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187

On 12/1/2011 9:18 PM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
> Support for HTML5 not withstanding, you can't logically come to that
> conclusion, Chris.
>
> I'm guessing they are using UA sniffing in the application (a
> questionable practice at this point), but in essence FF and IE desktop
> aren't given the chance to render it. The application developer has
> taken that option away. That said, I did try UA Pick on IE9 and
> UserAgent Switcher on Firefox, and IE9 is still pretty bad (note
> though it's reporting itself as Chrome), and I still couldn't get FF
> to show the site, even when spoofing Chrome's User-Agent String. I'm
> actually more suspicious about the implementation of the application
> than the browser compliance.
>
>
> On 1 Dec 2011 06:33:52 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> No, since Chrome works - it basically shows us the level of HTML5 compliance
>> of FF and IE. Looks like Google wins! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qsdd755io5d5rljq1cop22ui3ojcubiek@4ax.com...
>>> Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5 browser"....
>>>
>>> note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for browsing from
>>> MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an iPhone/Droid user an idea of
>>> what its like to physically interact with a WP7 device. Doing so
>>> from a desktop isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed
>>> to other assets.
>>>
>>> More info here:
>>> http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WmPowerUser+%28WM+Power+User%29
>>>
>>> It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is URLsniffing is
>>> failing to differentiate in their case.
>>>
>>> On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:
>>>
>>>> For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>>> magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>>> browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]"<jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do>
>>>>>> Product Enhancement Requests:
>>>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187>
>>>>>> On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>>>> that Windows>> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>>>> smartphone market">>
>>>>>>> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>>>> that uses>> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>>>> photos :)>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>>>> is a good thing for>>> you
>>>>>>>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> message>>>
>>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com...>>>>
>>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>>>> from? IDC>>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>>>> market in 2015, and #2>>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with>>>> Nokia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>>>> and Gartner and>>>> also citing some backing off of
>>>>> previous projections, shows>>>> significant relative
>>>>> growth>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>>> siu-container
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>>>>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>>>> other smart devices>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>>>> other smart>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>>>> message>>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>>>> PocketBuilder would>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>>>> know Reed was looking>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>>>> However, since Sybase>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>>>> for us. :-(>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>>>> thus far nor a>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>>>> enlighten us on this.>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>>>> currently and>>>>>> projected
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>>>> not sure what>>>>>> Sybase
>>>>>>>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>>>> of R&D versus>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>>>> support for>>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>>>> the lines of Visual>>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>>>> Windows Phone ) ?>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-12-02 12:50:56.0Z
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IE .. the best default installed web browser to allow you to download and
install the real web browser you need! :-))))

"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Support for HTML5 not withstanding, you can't logically come to that
> conclusion, Chris.
>
> I'm guessing they are using UA sniffing in the application (a
> questionable practice at this point), but in essence FF and IE desktop
> aren't given the chance to render it. The application developer has
> taken that option away. That said, I did try UA Pick on IE9 and
> UserAgent Switcher on Firefox, and IE9 is still pretty bad (note
> though it's reporting itself as Chrome), and I still couldn't get FF
> to show the site, even when spoofing Chrome's User-Agent String. I'm
> actually more suspicious about the implementation of the application
> than the browser compliance.
>
>
> On 1 Dec 2011 06:33:52 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>No, since Chrome works - it basically shows us the level of HTML5
>>compliance
>>of FF and IE. Looks like Google wins! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jim O'Neil" <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:5qsdd755io5d5rljq1cop22ui3ojcubiek@4ax.com...
>>> Rich left out a key word "point your MOBILE html5 browser"....
>>>
>>> note the redirect is http://m.microsoft.com meant for browsing from
>>> MOBILE browsers - specifically to give an iPhone/Droid user an idea of
>>> what its like to physically interact with a WP7 device. Doing so
>>> from a desktop isn't really the goal of this - and so you get pointed
>>> to other assets.
>>>
>>> More info here:
>>> http://wmpoweruser.com/try-windows-phone-features-from-other-smartphone-browsers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WmPowerUser+%28WM+Power+User%29
>>>
>>> It does seems to work on Chrome though, so my guess is URLsniffing is
>>> failing to differentiate in their case.
>>>
>>> On 30 Nov 2011 10:54:12 -0800, Rich Frantz wrote:
>>>
>>>>For everyone who is dumping on WindowsPhone based on
>>>>magazine articles and screenshots etc... point your html5
>>>>browser to http://aka.ms/wpdemo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, Oh .. that's going to burst Jim's bubble! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry Siegel [TeamSybase]" <jNOsSPAMsiegel@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:4ed57df8$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> > Windows Phone Dwindles To 6% Of US Market
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232200397?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Report Bugs to Sybase:
>>>>> http://case-express.sybase.com/cx/welcome.do >
>>>>> > Product Enhancement Requests:
>>>>> http://my.isug.com/p/cm/ld?fid=187 >
>>>>> > On 11/25/2011 11:52 AM, Jim O'Neil wrote:
>>>>> >> Ah this quote? "Two years from now, it's very possible
>>>>> that Windows >> Phone will still have less than 10% of the
>>>>> smartphone market" >>
>>>>> >> I'll take Forester and IDC over a dream-sequence piece
>>>>> that uses >> images of Ballmers head superimposed on other
>>>>> photos :) >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 24 Nov 2011 12:26:44 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> >> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I can tell you work for Microsoft Jim - Optimism
>>>>> is a good thing for >>> you
>>>>> >>> to have then WP7 wise. LOL
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> BTW: MS could be headed for some big trouble ...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-business-really-could-collapse-2011-11
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> "Jim O'Neil"<jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> message >>>
>>>>> news:7s5tc7laejcg12s258plkffrcpm0o5cck3@4ax.com... >>>>
>>>>> where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming
>>>>> from? IDC >>>> and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of
>>>>> market in 2015, and #2 >>>> behind Android. A lot is
>>>>> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>>> Nokia.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Some references, which even in being critical of IDC
>>>>> and Gartner and >>>> also citing some backing off of
>>>>> previous projections, shows >>>> significant relative
>>>>> growth >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;
>>>>siu-container
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>>>>> >>>> <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the
>>>>> other smart devices >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> => and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
>>>>> other smart >>>>> devices
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> "Chris Pollach"<cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
>>>>> message >>>>> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> >>>>>> Hi David;
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> An excellent question and that something that
>>>>> PocketBuilder would >>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I
>>>>> know Reed was looking >>>>>> at
>>>>> >>>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5).
>>>>> However, since Sybase >>>>>> has
>>>>> >>>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end
>>>>> for us. :-( >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap
>>>>> thus far nor a >>>>>> supported
>>>>> >>>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can
>>>>> enlighten us on this. >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently< 2% of the market
>>>>> currently and >>>>>> projected
>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am
>>>>> not sure what >>>>>> Sybase
>>>>> >>>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI
>>>>> of R&D versus >>>>>> potential
>>>>> >>>>>> sales.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>>> >>>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>>> >>>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>>> >>>>>> SourceForge:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> >>>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include
>>>>> support for >>>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along
>>>>> the lines of Visual >>>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for
>>>>> Windows Phone ) ? >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>


Brett Weaver Posted on 2011-11-25 11:06:20.0Z
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Jim
You have been around long enough to know that asking Gartner for an
opinion is like asking a mothers opinion of a childs performance in
the Xmas pantomine!
Yes, it may be that Nokia and Microsoft do deliver 20% by 2015.. But
that still means 4 out of 5 phones will not be compatible with your
solution - a bad return for a developer.
In any case Microsoft will have to be Android or IOS compliant or it
will not have the Applications it needs to get traction.
I personally think that Siri like applications and voice assistance
will be a huge part of the next generation of applications and
Microsoft has not yet arrived at the first generation.
You don't have to wait for 2015 to check my prediction; I reckon the
battle will be won by May next year.
Lets put a slab of beer on it if you like :-)




On 24 Nov 2011 11:28:32 -0800, Jim O'Neil <jim.oneil@microsoft.com>

wrote:

>where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>Nokia.
>
>Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>significant relative growth
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>
>
>
>
>On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
><cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>
>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Hi David;
>>>
>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>
>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>
>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
>>> sales.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards ... Chris
>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>
>>>
>>> <David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>
>>>
>>


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Hi Brett;

I'm with you ... if you win - do we get a free trip "down under" so that
I can buy the beer? :-)

--
Regards ... Chris
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"Brett Weaver" <bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
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> Jim
> You have been around long enough to know that asking Gartner for an
> opinion is like asking a mothers opinion of a childs performance in
> the Xmas pantomine!
> Yes, it may be that Nokia and Microsoft do deliver 20% by 2015.. But
> that still means 4 out of 5 phones will not be compatible with your
> solution - a bad return for a developer.
> In any case Microsoft will have to be Android or IOS compliant or it
> will not have the Applications it needs to get traction.
> I personally think that Siri like applications and voice assistance
> will be a huge part of the next generation of applications and
> Microsoft has not yet arrived at the first generation.
> You don't have to wait for 2015 to check my prediction; I reckon the
> battle will be won by May next year.
> Lets put a slab of beer on it if you like :-)
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2011 11:28:32 -0800, Jim O'Neil <jim.oneil@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>>where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>Nokia.
>>
>>Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>significant relative growth
>>
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>><cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Hi David;
>>>>
>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would
>>>> have
>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking
>>>> at
>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected
>>>> to
>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>>>> Sybase
>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>>>> potential
>>>> sales.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>


Jim O'Neil Posted on 2011-11-25 17:57:19.0Z
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>You have been around long enough to know that asking Gartner for an
>opinion is like asking a mothers opinion of a childs performance in
>the Xmas pantomine!

We'll it's a game all the vendors play though right? What are the
credible/unbiased alternatives? and isn't Gartner's magic quadrant
and other such pontifications (by Forester, IDC, etc.) the information
CxOs tap into? Manufactured reality? perhaps.

BTW, right now iOS has less than 20% of the market too (from various
sources), so 4 out of 5 phones are not compatible there either. iOS
isn't Android compliant or vice versa, but that's not been an issue
because there are often two versions of the app to address that. With
PhoneGap and similar 'cross-platform' solutions it's possible to
extend one app to multiple platforms and marketplaces, so I don't see
being iOS/Android "compliant" as a requirement.

Application marketplace though is a primary factor here (along with
momentum and mindshare) and despite Microsoft's marketplace growing
faster than the other two at this stage of release, it's behind. BTW,
it's behind with > 30,000 applications in it
(http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/22/windows-phone-marketplace-one-year-in/)
- iPhone has 39 times that - insane!

Bottom line, Android and iPhone have reached the tipping point,
Microsoft has not (yet?). Some would say that makes it a lost cause;
others see it as an opportunity since your application isn't lost
among one of 20 that does the same thing.

I haven't had an opportunity to use Siri so I don't know how smooth an
experience it is, I do however use the TellMe integration on Windows
Phone 7. There's an interesting comparison here
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20111124/tellme-on-windows-phone-vs-siri-on-iphone/_
by a key Windows blogger, and yes Siri comes out on top :) That said,
I think voice recognition is a given and it's a matter of evolution -
with Siri making it more natural and human at the moment.

What I think is the key to the next generation of apps is the
synthesis of context and content - being able to provide the
information that you want (perhaps even before you knew you wanted it)
- like Pandora for instance. For instance, maybe I check in to a lot
of Sushi restaurants at dinner time via FourSquare when I'm traveling,
Yelp might tap into that and show me a list of Sushii joints to go to
dinner the next time I'm on a business trip, but only when I check
Yelp at dinner time. Maybe that's happening already?

It will be interesting to see what the Nokia factor ends up being, but
I'd hesitate to say the battle will be won by next May. A few years
ago, would you have seen RIM/Blackberry in the position it's in now?

On 25 Nov 2011 03:06:20 -0800, Brett Weaver <bretnsp@weaversoft.com>
wrote:

>Jim
>You have been around long enough to know that asking Gartner for an
>opinion is like asking a mothers opinion of a childs performance in
>the Xmas pantomine!
>Yes, it may be that Nokia and Microsoft do deliver 20% by 2015.. But
>that still means 4 out of 5 phones will not be compatible with your
>solution - a bad return for a developer.
>In any case Microsoft will have to be Android or IOS compliant or it
>will not have the Applications it needs to get traction.
>I personally think that Siri like applications and voice assistance
>will be a huge part of the next generation of applications and
>Microsoft has not yet arrived at the first generation.
>You don't have to wait for 2015 to check my prediction; I reckon the
>battle will be won by May next year.
>Lets put a slab of beer on it if you like :-)
>
>
>
>
>On 24 Nov 2011 11:28:32 -0800, Jim O'Neil <jim.oneil@microsoft.com>
>wrote:
>
>>where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference coming from? IDC
>>and Gartner both have WP as around 20% of market in 2015, and #2
>>behind Android. A lot is admittedly riding on the partnership with
>>Nokia.
>>
>>Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and Gartner and
>>also citing some backing off of previous projections, shows
>>significant relative growth
>>
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-windows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
>>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-microsoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
>><cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the other smart devices
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Hi David;
>>>>
>>>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
>>>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>>>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
>>>> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
>>>> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
>>>> sales.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards ... Chris
>>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>>>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>


Brett Weaver Posted on 2011-11-25 21:58:44.0Z
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On 25 Nov 2011 09:57:19 -0800, Jim O'Neil <jim.oneil@microsoft.com>

wrote:

>Bottom line, Android and iPhone have reached the tipping point,
>Microsoft has not (yet?). Some would say that makes it a lost cause;
>others see it as an opportunity since your application isn't lost
>among one of 20 that does the same thing.
>

I will say that if MS could combine XBox's Kinect with a voice control
interface they would blow the market away!
People cannot always talk to their phones but they get frustrated with
data entry. Leaving the device in your pocket and being able to set,
say, flight mode on with a small gesture or combine a gesture with a
single word to begin recording? Fabulous!

I know it sounds a bit like an Issac Asimov novel but why not?


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Scotty: I've seen the captain feverish, sick, drunk, delirious, terrified,
overjoyed, boiling mad. But up to now, I have never seen him red-faced with
hysteria.

"Brett Weaver" <bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Nov 2011 09:57:19 -0800, Jim O'Neil <jim.oneil@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bottom line, Android and iPhone have reached the tipping point,
>>Microsoft has not (yet?). Some would say that makes it a lost cause;
>>others see it as an opportunity since your application isn't lost
>>among one of 20 that does the same thing.
>>
>
> I will say that if MS could combine XBox's Kinect with a voice control
> interface they would blow the market away!
> People cannot always talk to their phones but they get frustrated with
> data entry. Leaving the device in your pocket and being able to set,
> say, flight mode on with a small gesture or combine a gesture with a
> single word to begin recording? Fabulous!
>
> I know it sounds a bit like an Issac Asimov novel but why not?


Brett Weaver Posted on 2011-11-29 05:12:56.0Z
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Maybe MS is already ahead of me!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/29/kinect_read_lips/

> On 25 Nov 2011 09:57:19 -0800, Jim O'Neil
> <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Bottom line, Android and iPhone have reached the tipping
> point, >Microsoft has not (yet?). Some would say that
> makes it a lost cause; >others see it as an opportunity
> since your application isn't lost >among one of 20 that
> does the same thing. >
>
> I will say that if MS could combine XBox's Kinect with a
> voice control interface they would blow the market away!
> People cannot always talk to their phones but they get
> frustrated with data entry. Leaving the device in your
> pocket and being able to set, say, flight mode on with a
> small gesture or combine a gesture with a single word to
> begin recording? Fabulous!
>
> I know it sounds a bit like an Issac Asimov novel but why
> not?


Rich Frantz Posted on 2011-11-29 18:17:15.0Z
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I appreciate your post Jim and would add a couple things.
Statistically speaking, probably no one posting here is
actually using WP 7/7.5. I am (HTC HD7s) and love it. I
sincerely hope MS continues to enhance the product, and gain
market share.

I do hope that Sybase either integrates tooling for WP in
either a new tool or SUP or PB.

$hitSiriSays makes for good internet humor, but day to day,
I don't want my phone mouthing off at me. TellMe works
pretty good, but like all things, could improve.

> >You have been around long enough to know that asking
> Gartner for an >opinion is like asking a mothers opinion
> of a childs performance in >the Xmas pantomine!
>
> We'll it's a game all the vendors play though right? What
> are the credible/unbiased alternatives? and isn't
> Gartner's magic quadrant and other such pontifications (by
> Forester, IDC, etc.) the information CxOs tap into?
> Manufactured reality? perhaps.
>
> BTW, right now iOS has less than 20% of the market too
> (from various sources), so 4 out of 5 phones are not
> compatible there either. iOS isn't Android compliant or
> vice versa, but that's not been an issue because there are
> often two versions of the app to address that. With
> PhoneGap and similar 'cross-platform' solutions it's
> possible to extend one app to multiple platforms and
> marketplaces, so I don't see being iOS/Android "compliant"
> as a requirement.
>
> Application marketplace though is a primary factor here
> (along with momentum and mindshare) and despite
> Microsoft's marketplace growing faster than the other two
> at this stage of release, it's behind. BTW, it's behind
> with > 30,000 applications in it
> (http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/22/windows-phone-marketplac
> e-one-year-in/) - iPhone has 39 times that - insane!
>
> Bottom line, Android and iPhone have reached the tipping
> point, Microsoft has not (yet?). Some would say that makes
> it a lost cause; others see it as an opportunity since
> your application isn't lost among one of 20 that does the
> same thing.
>
> I haven't had an opportunity to use Siri so I don't know
> how smooth an experience it is, I do however use the
> TellMe integration on Windows Phone 7. There's an
> interesting comparison here
>
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20111124/tellme-on-windows-phone-vs-siri-on-iphone/_
> by a key Windows blogger, and yes Siri comes out on top :)
> That said, I think voice recognition is a given and it's
> a matter of evolution - with Siri making it more natural
> and human at the moment.
>
> What I think is the key to the next generation of apps is
> the synthesis of context and content - being able to
> provide the information that you want (perhaps even before
> you knew you wanted it) - like Pandora for instance. For
> instance, maybe I check in to a lot of Sushi restaurants
> at dinner time via FourSquare when I'm traveling, Yelp
> might tap into that and show me a list of Sushii joints to
> go to dinner the next time I'm on a business trip, but
> only when I check Yelp at dinner time. Maybe that's
> happening already?
>
> It will be interesting to see what the Nokia factor ends
> up being, but I'd hesitate to say the battle will be won
> by next May. A few years ago, would you have seen
> RIM/Blackberry in the position it's in now?
>
> On 25 Nov 2011 03:06:20 -0800, Brett Weaver
> <bretnsp@weaversoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Jim
> >You have been around long enough to know that asking
> Gartner for an >opinion is like asking a mothers opinion
> of a childs performance in >the Xmas pantomine!
> >Yes, it may be that Nokia and Microsoft do deliver 20% by
> 2015.. But >that still means 4 out of 5 phones will not be
> compatible with your >solution - a bad return for a
> developer. >In any case Microsoft will have to be Android
> or IOS compliant or it >will not have the Applications it
> needs to get traction. >I personally think that Siri like
> applications and voice assistance >will be a huge part of
> the next generation of applications and >Microsoft has not
> yet arrived at the first generation. >You don't have to
> wait for 2015 to check my prediction; I reckon the >battle
> will be won by May next year. >Lets put a slab of beer on
> it if you like :-) >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 24 Nov 2011 11:28:32 -0800, Jim O'Neil
> <jim.oneil@microsoft.com> >wrote:
> >
> >>where's the 'not projected to grow much' reference
> coming from? IDC >>and Gartner both have WP as around
> 20% of market in 2015, and #2 >>behind Android. A lot is
> admittedly riding on the partnership with >>Nokia.
> >>
> >>Some references, which even in being critical of IDC and
> Gartner and >>also citing some backing off of previous
> projections, shows >>significant relative growth
> >>
> >>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/idc-starts-walking-down-wi
> ndows-phone-7-2015-projections/50314
> >>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/gartner-drinks-the-2015-mi
> crosoft-nokia-kool-aid-too/47023?tag=content;siu-container
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 24 Nov 2011 07:35:28 -0800, "Chris Pollach"
> >><cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Typo: and projected to grow much relative to the other
> smart devices >>>
> >>>=> and *NOT* projected to grow much relative to the
> other smart devices >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in
> message >>>news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
> >>>> Hi David;
> >>>>
> >>>> An excellent question and that something that
> PocketBuilder would have >>>> addressed if Sybase
> continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at >>>>
> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However,
> since Sybase has >>>> now officially EOL'ed PK that
> avenue is a dead-end for us. :-( >>>>
> >>>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus
> far nor a supported >>>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone
> at Sybase can enlighten us on this. >>>>
> >>>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market
> currently and projected to >>>> grow much relative to the
> other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase >>>> will
> want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D
> versus potential >>>> sales.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Regards ... Chris
> >>>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> >>>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> >>>> SourceForge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <David Smith> wrote in message
> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com... >>>>> Has any
> consideration been given to include support for >>>>>
> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
> >>>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ? >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>


Van Posted on 2011-11-25 04:17:47.0Z
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Hi Chris ,

I heard PB15 would have mobile targets available for Mobile solutions.. Is
that right ?

Can anyone confirm this from Sybase.

Regards, Van

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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> Hi David;
>
> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>
> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>
> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected to
> grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what Sybase
> will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus potential
> sales.
>
>
> --
> Regards ... Chris
> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>
>
> <David Smith> wrote in message news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2011-11-25 14:22:31.0Z
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Hi Van;

This was not on the original PB 15 roadmap but I have heard the same
rumours. I have no idea myself but, speculating a bit after seeing the HTML5
DataWindow that might be a tact for Sybase to support "tethered"
applications. As far as native ones - that to me would mean taking something
like PocketBuilder, migrating its PB10 era C++ code to PB 12.5/15,
interacting that with the PB IDE (hence the mobile target) and then [the big
question] being able to write/deploy WP7 CAB files.

Maybe someone at Sybase can jump in here (if they can NDA wise) and
enlighten us. :-)

--
Regards ... Chris
Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"Van" <Vanjacobson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Chris ,
>
> I heard PB15 would have mobile targets available for Mobile solutions.. Is
> that right ?
>
> Can anyone confirm this from Sybase.
>
> Regards, Van
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4ece59eb$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi David;
>>
>> An excellent question and that something that PocketBuilder would have
>> addressed if Sybase continued to enhance it ( I know Reed was looking at
>> W7 before being seconded over to PB 12/12.5). However, since Sybase has
>> now officially EOL'ed PK that avenue is a dead-end for us. :-(
>>
>> Also, I don't see this on the PB 15 roadmap thus far nor a supported
>> platform for SUP. Maybe someone at Sybase can enlighten us on this.
>>
>> FWIW: Since WP7 is currently < 2% of the market currently and projected
>> to grow much relative to the other smart devices. I am not sure what
>> Sybase will want to do on this aspect considering the ROI of R&D versus
>> potential sales.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards ... Chris
>> Blog: http://chrispollach.blogspot.com
>> PBDJ: http://chrispollach.sys-con.com
>> SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass
>>
>>
>> <David Smith> wrote in message
>> news:4ece537f.5ba5.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>> Has any consideration been given to include support for
>>> Windows Phone 7.x ( something along the lines of Visual
>>> Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone ) ?
>>
>>
>
>