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Installation Methods

12 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2002-05-14 18:51:57.0Z
Thomas Posted on 2002-05-06 07:14:54.0Z
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I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a graphical
enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how much and
far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?

In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based install)
is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.

My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
installations. Keep it available.

Thomas


Rob Verschoor Posted on 2002-05-06 19:19:41.0Z
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<Thomas> wrote in message
news:A6684525B21D7E080027D10085256BB1.0027D11785256BB1@webforums...
> I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a
graphical
> enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how
much and
> far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
>
> In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based
install)
> is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
>
> My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> installations. Keep it available.
>
> Thomas

I agree - and that's why I wrote a utility called "sybinit4ever" which
allows you to interactively create a new ASE server using only an
ASCII interface; (note that this is not for installing the software
from the CD onto the host, but for creating new ASE servers).
If you're interested, you can download it from
www.sypron.nl/si4evr.html .

HTH,

Rob
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Verschoor

Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0/11.5/11.0

Author of "The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"
Online orders accepted at http://www.sypron.nl/qr

email mailto:rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY
WWW http://www.sypron.nl
snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
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TS Posted on 2002-05-12 19:13:25.0Z
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Rob,

I know your Sybinit4ever - and have used it too :)

What I'm pleading for is the ability to do everything w.r.t. the
installationof a server without the need for a graphical user interface.
With this I mean, I want to unload the software from the CD, and build new
servers. At least when it comes to building servers, we can use srvbuildres
or Sybinit4ever.

I realize that every platform has it's own way of 'packaging' software, but
I am also convinced that SYBASE uses the method applicable to each operating
system - and driven through a graphical user interface. I would like to see
these methods described in the applicable installation manuals. Is that
really so much to ask?

Thomas

"Rob Verschoor" <rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY> wrote in
message news:2VZ39QT9BHA.195@forums.sybase.com...
> <Thomas> wrote in message
> news:A6684525B21D7E080027D10085256BB1.0027D11785256BB1@webforums...
> > I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a
> graphical
> > enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how
> much and
> > far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
> >
> > In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based
> install)
> > is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
> >
> > My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> > installations. Keep it available.
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I agree - and that's why I wrote a utility called "sybinit4ever" which
> allows you to interactively create a new ASE server using only an
> ASCII interface; (note that this is not for installing the software
> from the CD onto the host, but for creating new ASE servers).
> If you're interested, you can download it from
> www.sypron.nl/si4evr.html .
>
> HTH,
>
> Rob
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rob Verschoor
>
> Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0/11.5/11.0
>
> Author of "The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"
> Online orders accepted at http://www.sypron.nl/qr
>
> email mailto:rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY
> WWW http://www.sypron.nl
> snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Rob Verschoor Posted on 2002-05-12 19:30:19.0Z
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Thomas,

I certainly didn't mean to disagree -- non-gui methods for any DBA
action, including installation, should *always* be supported and
documented (with GUI-only, we'd be back in the Microsoft way of
thinking -- no, thank you).

Rob V.

"TS" <none@nowhere.at.all> wrote in message
news:FAlh1ne#BHA.273@forums.sybase.com...
> Rob,
>
> I know your Sybinit4ever - and have used it too :)
>
> What I'm pleading for is the ability to do everything w.r.t. the
> installationof a server without the need for a graphical user
interface.
> With this I mean, I want to unload the software from the CD, and
build new
> servers. At least when it comes to building servers, we can use
srvbuildres
> or Sybinit4ever.
>
> I realize that every platform has it's own way of 'packaging'
software, but
> I am also convinced that SYBASE uses the method applicable to each
operating
> system - and driven through a graphical user interface. I would
like to see
> these methods described in the applicable installation manuals. Is
that
> really so much to ask?
>
> Thomas
>
> "Rob Verschoor" <rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY> wrote
in
> message news:2VZ39QT9BHA.195@forums.sybase.com...
> > <Thomas> wrote in message
> >
news:A6684525B21D7E080027D10085256BB1.0027D11785256BB1@webforums...
> > > I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a
> > graphical
> > > enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of
how
> > much and
> > > far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
> > >
> > > In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based
> > install)
> > > is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
> > >
> > > My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> > > installations. Keep it available.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> >
> > I agree - and that's why I wrote a utility called "sybinit4ever"
which
> > allows you to interactively create a new ASE server using only an
> > ASCII interface; (note that this is not for installing the
software
> > from the CD onto the host, but for creating new ASE servers).
> > If you're interested, you can download it from
> > www.sypron.nl/si4evr.html .
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Rob
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > Rob Verschoor
> >
> > Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0/11.5/11.0
> >
> > Author of "The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"
> > Online orders accepted at http://www.sypron.nl/qr
> >
> > email mailto:rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY
> > WWW http://www.sypron.nl
> > snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
>
>


TS Posted on 2002-05-14 18:51:57.0Z
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Geen probleem Rob,

niets mis met vi en isql.....

Thomas

"Rob Verschoor" <rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY> wrote in
message news:2T7qSze#BHA.131@forums.sybase.com...
> Thomas,
>
> I certainly didn't mean to disagree -- non-gui methods for any DBA
> action, including installation, should *always* be supported and
> documented (with GUI-only, we'd be back in the Microsoft way of
> thinking -- no, thank you).
>
> Rob V.
>
> "TS" <none@nowhere.at.all> wrote in message
> news:FAlh1ne#BHA.273@forums.sybase.com...
> > Rob,
> >
> > I know your Sybinit4ever - and have used it too :)
> >
> > What I'm pleading for is the ability to do everything w.r.t. the
> > installationof a server without the need for a graphical user
> interface.
> > With this I mean, I want to unload the software from the CD, and
> build new
> > servers. At least when it comes to building servers, we can use
> srvbuildres
> > or Sybinit4ever.
> >
> > I realize that every platform has it's own way of 'packaging'
> software, but
> > I am also convinced that SYBASE uses the method applicable to each
> operating
> > system - and driven through a graphical user interface. I would
> like to see
> > these methods described in the applicable installation manuals. Is
> that
> > really so much to ask?
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > "Rob Verschoor" <rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY> wrote
> in
> > message news:2VZ39QT9BHA.195@forums.sybase.com...
> > > <Thomas> wrote in message
> > >
> news:A6684525B21D7E080027D10085256BB1.0027D11785256BB1@webforums...
> > > > I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a
> > > graphical
> > > > enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of
> how
> > > much and
> > > > far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
> > > >
> > > > In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based
> > > install)
> > > > is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
> > > >
> > > > My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> > > > installations. Keep it available.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > >
> > > I agree - and that's why I wrote a utility called "sybinit4ever"
> which
> > > allows you to interactively create a new ASE server using only an
> > > ASCII interface; (note that this is not for installing the
> software
> > > from the CD onto the host, but for creating new ASE servers).
> > > If you're interested, you can download it from
> > > www.sypron.nl/si4evr.html .
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Rob
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > > Rob Verschoor
> > >
> > > Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0/11.5/11.0
> > >
> > > Author of "The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"
> > > Online orders accepted at http://www.sypron.nl/qr
> > >
> > > email mailto:rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY
> > > WWW http://www.sypron.nl
> > > snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> >
> >
>


Pablo Sanchez Posted on 2002-05-06 19:38:17.0Z
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"Rob Verschoor" <rob@DO.NOT.SPAM.sypron.nl.REMOVE.THIS.DECOY> wrote in
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> <Thomas> wrote in message
> news:A6684525B21D7E080027D10085256BB1.0027D11785256BB1@webforums...
> > I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a
> graphical
> > enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how
> much and
> > far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
> >
> > In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based
> install)
> > is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
> >
> > My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> > installations. Keep it available.
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I agree - and that's why I wrote a utility called "sybinit4ever"
which
> allows you to interactively create a new ASE server using only an
> ASCII interface; (note that this is not for installing the software
> from the CD onto the host, but for creating new ASE servers).
> If you're interested, you can download it from
> www.sypron.nl/si4evr.html .

I also agree. I wrote a shell script to go around 'asecfg' so that I
could tear down and rebuild an instance without having to worry about
X issues.
--
Pablo Sanchez, High-Performance Database Engineering
mailto:pablo@hpdbe.com
http://www.hpdbe.com
Available for short-term and long-term contracts


Anthony Mandic Posted on 2002-05-06 10:02:07.0Z
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Thomas wrote:
>
> I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a graphical
> enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how much and
> far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?

Fortunately, X has nothing to do with MS.

> In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based install)
> is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
>
> My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
> installations. Keep it available.

Personally, I would like to see them use package format.
This should really be done on a per platform basis, but every
OS has this. Applying EBFs would then be a lot easier too.

-am © 2002


Mike Harrold Posted on 2002-05-06 17:46:44.0Z
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In article <3CD6549F.D895A377@start.com.au>,

Anthony Mandic <sp_am_block@start.com.au> wrote:
>
>Thomas wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed that Sybase assumes that DBAs have access to a graphical
>> enviroment when installing server software. Is this a sign of how much and
>> far the tentacles of M$ has progressed?
>
> Fortunately, X has nothing to do with MS.
>
>> In the ASE 12.0 for Sun-Solaris, the install -c (character based install)
>> is still described, but in the installation notes for 12.5 not.
>>
>> My plea to Sybase: Please do not disregard the character based
>> installations. Keep it available.
>
> Personally, I would like to see them use package format.

You mean like Linux's RPMs?

> This should really be done on a per platform basis, but every
> OS has this. Applying EBFs would then be a lot easier too.

Personally I think untar/copy is about as simple as it can get...

/Mike


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Mike Harrold wrote:

> > Personally, I would like to see them use package format.
>
> You mean like Linux's RPMs?

Yes, although I was thinking more along the lines of Solaris.
Every platform has its own methods though.

-am © 2002


Mike Harrold Posted on 2002-05-07 16:55:48.0Z
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In article <3CD79E20.ADD9687E@start.com.au>,

Anthony Mandic <sp_am_block@start.com.au> wrote:
>
>Mike Harrold wrote:
>
>> > Personally, I would like to see them use package format.
>>
>> You mean like Linux's RPMs?
>
> Yes, although I was thinking more along the lines of Solaris.
> Every platform has its own methods though.

I was afraid of that.

<impassioned plea>

If Sybase does decide to do this, please continue to offer the software
in a non-packaged format. Packages can be a real PITA if you want to
install them in a location other than where they want to go. RPMs are
especially bad at this.

</impassioned plea>

/Mike


Thomas Posted on 2002-05-06 10:42:07.0Z
From: Thomas
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Anthony,

You're absolutely right in your remark re X and M$. What I am referring to
is the general tendency to 'go graphical'.

I'm with you on the package format thing, absolutely.

Do you perhaps know whether I can use the install -c command for 12.5 on
Sun Solaris, or do I have to go the X-windows route. I am busy writing
some manuals for our team, and want to stick to basics as far as possible.
This way one can work everywhere as one only uses the bare essentials
(terminal session, vi, isql).

Thomas


Anthony Mandic Posted on 2002-05-06 11:43:48.0Z
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Thomas wrote:

> You're absolutely right in your remark re X and M$. What I am referring to
> is the general tendency to 'go graphical'.

Yes, some of us would rather go 'automated'.

> I'm with you on the package format thing, absolutely.
>
> Do you perhaps know whether I can use the install -c command for 12.5 on
> Sun Solaris, or do I have to go the X-windows route. I am busy writing
> some manuals for our team, and want to stick to basics as far as possible.
> This way one can work everywhere as one only uses the bare essentials
> (terminal session, vi, isql).

Sorry, I ran the Java program. I have to admit I didn't check
the docs throughly, so if you find anything let us know.

-am © 2002