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ase_java option

7 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2002-08-02 10:23:55.0Z
Iwish Posted on 2002-05-24 01:03:53.0Z
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ase doesn't have the feature of udf(user defined function) in T-SQL. Maybe
it's the weakpoint of ASE.
Somebody can say ASE_JAVA can handle this. yes, it's correct. but the
problems is the money.
i can't understand why sybase want more money for customer to use ASE_JAVA
option.
it's not reasonable. i think it should be included in basic package.
other dbms have supported udf for a long time without $$$$$.

Thanks


Jason Webster Posted on 2002-06-14 18:30:39.0Z
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I agree with Iwish. Our site pays over 100K in maintenance costs annually,
and it's our view that things like the java option are the reason that we
pay those costs. Besides, most other vendors don't do as Mike says. They
do the opposite, give it away now and then charge for it later.

"Iwish" <iwish@example.com> wrote in message
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> ase doesn't have the feature of udf(user defined function) in T-SQL. Maybe
> it's the weakpoint of ASE.
> Somebody can say ASE_JAVA can handle this. yes, it's correct. but the
> problems is the money.
> i can't understand why sybase want more money for customer to use ASE_JAVA
> option.
> it's not reasonable. i think it should be included in basic package.
> other dbms have supported udf for a long time without $$$$$.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>


Mike Harrold Posted on 2002-06-21 21:19:48.0Z
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In article <ITynyL9ECHA.144@forums.sybase.com>,

Jason Webster <jason.webster`@mail.state.ky.us> wrote:
>
>I agree with Iwish. Our site pays over 100K in maintenance costs annually,
>and it's our view that things like the java option are the reason that we
>pay those costs. Besides, most other vendors don't do as Mike says. They
>do the opposite, give it away now and then charge for it later.

On the contrary, Orable regularly charges for new features, then makes
them free after a couple of releases (partitioning, replication, etc.).
It's only Micro$oft that does as you say...

/Mike


Anthony Mandic Posted on 2002-06-22 09:22:03.0Z
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Mike Harrold wrote:

> On the contrary, Orable regularly charges for new features, then makes
> them free after a couple of releases (partitioning, replication, etc.).
> It's only Micro$oft that does as you say...

MS's usual practice is to give away an inferior product (Internet
Explorer, for example) to gain market share (of course, this is a
well worn practice). Once there's no competition there's no reason
to give it away free. The rationale being that you can't go elsewhere
so you have to pay. After that, it becomes release after buggy
release to keep the cash coming in.

-am © 2002


Jason Webster Posted on 2002-08-01 19:17:21.0Z
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Of course you're both absolutely right about that. Personally, I wish the
ground would open up and swallow M$ whole. However, these practices are
what have made most of the world's huge companies huge. It doesn't make
sense to bring a knife to a gunfight and then grouse about chivalry-- or the
lack thereof.

"Anthony Mandic" <spam_block@start.com.au> wrote in message
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> Mike Harrold wrote:
>
> > On the contrary, Orable regularly charges for new features, then makes
> > them free after a couple of releases (partitioning, replication, etc.).
> > It's only Micro$oft that does as you say...
>
> MS's usual practice is to give away an inferior product (Internet
> Explorer, for example) to gain market share (of course, this is a
> well worn practice). Once there's no competition there's no reason
> to give it away free. The rationale being that you can't go elsewhere
> so you have to pay. After that, it becomes release after buggy
> release to keep the cash coming in.
>
> -am © 2002


Anthony Mandic Posted on 2002-08-02 10:23:55.0Z
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Jason Webster wrote:
>
> Of course you're both absolutely right about that. Personally, I wish the
> ground would open up and swallow M$ whole. However, these practices are
> what have made most of the world's huge companies huge. It doesn't make
> sense to bring a knife to a gunfight and then grouse about chivalry-- or the
> lack thereof.

Of course not. But I've yet to hear of anyone actually inventing a
better mouse trap and having the world beat a path to their door.

-am © 2002


Mike Harrold Posted on 2002-05-24 13:57:04.0Z
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In article <ApBhvHsACHA.301@forums.sybase.com>,

Iwish <iwish@example.com> wrote:
>
>ase doesn't have the feature of udf(user defined function) in T-SQL. Maybe
>it's the weakpoint of ASE.
>Somebody can say ASE_JAVA can handle this. yes, it's correct. but the
>problems is the money.
>i can't understand why sybase want more money for customer to use ASE_JAVA
>option.
>it's not reasonable. i think it should be included in basic package.
>other dbms have supported udf for a long time without $$$$$.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>

Like other DBMS products, typically a new feature is an extra cost
addition for the first release and then becomes part of the basic
package later on. It's called recovering your development costs.

/Mike