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Shop window of PB products

13 posts in Commercial ISV's Last posting was on 2009-03-10 15:48:41.0Z
Alastair Walker Posted on 2009-02-23 06:14:29.0Z
From: Alastair Walker <spi-lab@mweb.co.za>
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Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.

I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
issue of patch management.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be nice to have such a forum.

One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.

Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.

A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
approach to making such documentation available.

I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
format and are rich in screen shots.

Any comments?

Alastair Walker

>
> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>
>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV ng
>>users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might become
>>a better resource.
>>
>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>
>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>
>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>> Roland,
>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>
>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>
>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>> competitors?
>>>
>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>> developers everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>
>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>
>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>
>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>
>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>
>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>
>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>
>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>> the install directory.
>>>>
>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>
>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>


Roland Smith [TeamSybase] Posted on 2009-02-23 19:04:29.0Z
From: "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]" <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com>
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Why not just post a link in this group? As long as the post isn't a sales
pitch, it should be ok.

"Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>
> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
> issue of patch management.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>
> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>
> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>
> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
> approach to making such documentation available.
>
> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
> format and are rich in screen shots.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Alastair Walker
>>
>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV
>>>ng
>>>users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>become
>>>a better resource.
>>>
>>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>>
>>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> Roland,
>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>
>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>> competitors?
>>>>
>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>
>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>


Alastair Walker Posted on 2009-02-25 06:08:43.0Z
From: Alastair Walker <spi-lab@mweb.co.za>
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I think a link posting to a newsgroup is too ephemeral. Unless you
know that there are items to look for, they will be 'lost' after a
page or two of new entries has taken place.

My proposal would be use make use of the existing Sybase developer
code repository - we could have a separate section for built product
manuals - as reference material of the application of PB products.

Regards,

Alastair



On 23 Feb 2009 11:04:29 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"

<rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:

>Why not just post a link in this group? As long as the post isn't a sales
>pitch, it should be ok.
>
>"Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
>news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
>> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
>> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>>
>> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
>> issue of patch management.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>>
>> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
>> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
>> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>>
>> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>>
>> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
>> approach to making such documentation available.
>>
>> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
>> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
>> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
>> format and are rich in screen shots.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Alastair Walker
>>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV
>>>>ng
>>>>users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>>become
>>>>a better resource.
>>>>
>>>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>>>
>>>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>>news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Roland,
>>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>>> competitors?
>>>>>
>>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>


Bill Chestnut Posted on 2009-02-26 07:15:04.0Z
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I am delighted to see that there others out there with an
interest in the possibility of seeing the work of other PB
developers when it reaches or nears commercial status.
(Shop Window is an excellent name for the concept.)

I agree that the regular forums are not the best format, for
the reason already pointed out that the thread eventually
gets pushed down by date.

I think the idea of using the Code Sharing site is an
interesting one. What is the process for getting permission?

> Note: This message was originally posted to the
> PowerBuilder: General newsgroup when I was asked to post
> it on this newsgroup.
>
> I have included the context of my reply which arose from
> the topic issue of patch management.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------- It would be nice to have
> such a forum.
>
> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge
> the actual product (which creates licensing problems) but
> to make the User/Administrator reference manual(s)
> available.
>
> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>
> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least
> complicated approach to making such documentation
> available.
>
> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is
> based on PB 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the
> second uses PB 10.5. I am happy to make the user manuals
> available. Both items are in pdf format and are rich in
> screen shots.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Alastair Walker
> >
> > On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith
> > [TeamSybase]" <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were
> to state that ISV ng >>users were allowed to have
> discussion of product specifics, it might become >>a
> better resource. >>
> >>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries
> with only 1 or 2 >>copies. The only reason I mentioned it
> was because of the timezone issue >>when checking the
> file datetimestamp. >>
> >>Thanks for the kind words.
> >>
> >><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
> news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com... >>> Roland,
> >>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the
> flogging of >>> commercial products on these forums.
> However, your mention >>> of having a product that is
> selling world wide prompts a >>> question I have had for
> some time. I would like to have a >>> look at your
> products and those of other PB developers that >>> have
> gotten their products to commercial status. >>>
> >>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
> >>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare
> their >>> products and obtain critical comment on their
> apps? The >>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as
> it seems to >>> follow the same protocol prohibition about
> directly >>> mentioning or displaying PB products,
> restricting itself to >>> issues about going commercial. I
> am also aware of the RING >>> network but it is a little
> spotty. >>>
> >>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit
> from >>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers
> have >>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on
> what I am >>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having
> other PB >>> developers take part in beta testing.
> >>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers
> would >>> welcome such a forum or would they be more
> likely to want to >>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers
> , or possibly, >>> competitors?
> >>>
> >>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the
> excellent >>> advice and suggestions that you make on
> these forums. You >>> are making a terrific contribution
> to the lives of >>> developers everywhere.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the
> extra >>>> complications of partial file patches is just
> not worth >>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the
> best thing to >>>> do is always perform a Full-Build
> compile and deploy the >>>> entire set of files whenever
> there is an update. >>>>
> >>>> I have a program used by people all over the world
> and it >>>> downloads and installs updates to itself
> automatically >>>> without the use of any extra cost
> third party software. >>>> Basically it works like this:
> >>>>
> >>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of
> all the >>>> files that make up the app and the
> datetimestamp of each >>>> file.
> >>>>
> >>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports
> it >>>> into a datastore.
> >>>>
> >>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
> >>>> datetimestamp of each file.
> >>>>
> >>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok
> to >>>> proceed with download.
> >>>>
> >>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
> >>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained
> within >>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
> >>>>
> >>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
> >>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from
> the >>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
> >>>>
> >>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing
> copy >>>> command to copy the files from the temp
> directory into >>>> the install directory.
> >>>>
> >>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit,
> the >>>> vbscript is executed.
> >>>>
> >>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the
> user >>>> that they can rerun the app.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles
> and >>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist
> text >>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running
> vbscript >>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
> >>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in
> message >>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
> >>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial
> libraries >>>> > for patch managment in
> >>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
> >>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
> >>>> > comparision for smaller patches
> >>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>


M. Searer Posted on 2009-02-25 18:20:46.0Z
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I would like to see something for ISV's to post regarding their PB based products.
Something that allows posting marketing materials or whatever the owner of the product would like to post.
IMO, these newsgroups are not good for that....

"Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>
> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
> issue of patch management.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>
> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>
> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>
> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
> approach to making such documentation available.
>
> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
> format and are rich in screen shots.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Alastair Walker
>>
>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV ng
>>>users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might become
>>>a better resource.
>>>
>>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>>
>>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> Roland,
>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>
>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>> competitors?
>>>>
>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>
>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>


Jeff Gibson Posted on 2009-02-26 23:49:13.0Z
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The only thing that really stinks about the newsgroups is that if somebody
posts a file to the message, you can see it here, but it doesn't post it to
the google groups.

This is one of the things we discussed back at TechWave last year.

I just came across a PowerPoint slide that another PB developer had sent me
way back about eight years ago. They really pushed the bounderies in PB and
their app STILL looks cutting edge.

Keep you eyes on the other groups here and invite as many as you can to
start perusing the ISV newsgroup.

Thanks Mike.

Jeff Gibson
Intercept Solutions - Sybase SQL Anywhere OEM Partner
Nashville, TN

"M. Searer" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:49a58bfe$1@forums-1-dub...
>I would like to see something for ISV's to post regarding their PB based
>products.
> Something that allows posting marketing materials or whatever the owner of
> the product would like to post.
> IMO, these newsgroups are not good for that....
>
> "Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
> news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
>> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
>> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>>
>> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
>> issue of patch management.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>>
>> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
>> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
>> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>>
>> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots. A pdf format for such
>> manuals is probably the least complicated
>> approach to making such documentation available.
>>
>> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
>> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
>> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
>> format and are rich in screen shots.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Alastair Walker
>>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV
>>>>ng users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>>become a better resource.
>>>>
>>>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>>>
>>>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>>news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Roland,
>>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>>> competitors?
>>>>>
>>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>


Arthur Hefti Posted on 2009-03-02 16:58:20.0Z
From: "Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch>
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It just come into my mind.
How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but e.g.
www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors could be
added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments are possible,
indexing in search engines is extremely good.
I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no difference
between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/

What do you think?
Arthur

"Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>
> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
> issue of patch management.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>
> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>
> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>
> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
> approach to making such documentation available.
>
> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
> format and are rich in screen shots.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Alastair Walker
>>
>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV
>>>ng
>>>users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>become
>>>a better resource.
>>>
>>>My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the kind words.
>>>
>>><Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>> Roland,
>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>
>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>> competitors?
>>>>
>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>
>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>> > Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>> > for patch managment in
>>>>> > PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>> > Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>> > comparision for smaller patches
>>>>> > like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>


Randy Posted on 2009-03-02 20:29:34.0Z
From: Randy <CGreenwellAtsparusaDotcom>
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Who will maintain it? What if you have more than 100 authors? Who
makes the decision for allowing an author. Cost?

My first thoughts.

Randy

Arthur Hefti wrote:
> It just come into my mind.
> How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
> customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but e.g.
> www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors could be
> added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments are possible,
> indexing in search engines is extremely good.
> I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no difference
> between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/
>
> What do you think?
> Arthur
>
>
> "Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
> news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
>> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
>> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>>
>> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
>> issue of patch management.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>>
>> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
>> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
>> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>>
>> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>>
>> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
>> approach to making such documentation available.
>>
>> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
>> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
>> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
>> format and are rich in screen shots.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Alastair Walker
>>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that ISV
>>>> ng
>>>> users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>> become
>>>> a better resource.
>>>>
>>>> My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>> copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone issue
>>>> when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>>>
>>>> <Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>> news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>> Roland,
>>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>>> competitors?
>>>>>
>>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>>>> Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>>>> for patch managment in
>>>>>>> PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>>>> Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>>>> comparision for smaller patches
>>>>>>> like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>


Arthur Hefti Posted on 2009-03-03 04:44:15.0Z
From: "Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch>
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- Maintenance: By the guy who sets sup the site
- Authors: Unlikely that more than 100 vendors are around. Data could be
added by site maintainer
- Decision on who could publish would be made by the site owner
- Cost: domain name for 5 - 10 years about USD 200 + time to maintain
- Income: Depending, could be a fix price per product and year

This is in my opinion about business, the free solution is posting to a
newsgroup.

Regards
Arthur

"Randy" <CGreenwellAtsparusaDotcom> wrote in message
news:49ac41ae$1@forums-1-dub...
> Who will maintain it? What if you have more than 100 authors? Who makes
> the decision for allowing an author. Cost?
>
> My first thoughts.
>
> Randy
>
> Arthur Hefti wrote:
>> It just come into my mind.
>> How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
>> customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but e.g.
>> www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors could
>> be added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments are
>> possible, indexing in search engines is extremely good.
>> I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no
>> difference between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Arthur
>>
>>
>> "Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
>> news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
>>> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
>>> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>>>
>>> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
>>> issue of patch management.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>>>
>>> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
>>> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
>>> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>>>
>>> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>>>
>>> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
>>> approach to making such documentation available.
>>>
>>> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
>>> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
>>> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
>>> format and are rich in screen shots.
>>>
>>> Any comments?
>>>
>>> Alastair Walker
>>>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>>>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that
>>>>> ISV ng
>>>>> users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>>> become
>>>>> a better resource.
>>>>>
>>>>> My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>>> copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone
>>>>> issue
>>>>> when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>>> news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>> Roland,
>>>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>>>> competitors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>>>>> Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>>>>> for patch managment in
>>>>>>>> PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>>>>> Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>>>>> comparision for smaller patches
>>>>>>>> like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>


M. Searer Posted on 2009-03-03 15:59:41.0Z
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I think that if sybase isn't interested, then maybe ISUG would be

"Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch> wrote in message news:49acb59f$1@forums-1-dub...
>- Maintenance: By the guy who sets sup the site
> - Authors: Unlikely that more than 100 vendors are around. Data could be
> added by site maintainer
> - Decision on who could publish would be made by the site owner
> - Cost: domain name for 5 - 10 years about USD 200 + time to maintain
> - Income: Depending, could be a fix price per product and year
>
> This is in my opinion about business, the free solution is posting to a
> newsgroup.
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> "Randy" <CGreenwellAtsparusaDotcom> wrote in message
> news:49ac41ae$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Who will maintain it? What if you have more than 100 authors? Who makes
>> the decision for allowing an author. Cost?
>>
>> My first thoughts.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Arthur Hefti wrote:
>>> It just come into my mind.
>>> How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
>>> customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but e.g.
>>> www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors could
>>> be added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments are
>>> possible, indexing in search engines is extremely good.
>>> I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no
>>> difference between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alastair Walker" <spi-lab@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
>>> news:d8f4q452p22na22euilc68pollru699198@4ax.com...
>>>> Note: This message was originally posted to the PowerBuilder: General
>>>> newsgroup when I was asked to post it on this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> I have included the context of my reply which arose from the topic
>>>> issue of patch management.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> It would be nice to have such a forum.
>>>>
>>>> One simple way to approach this is not to have to lodge the actual
>>>> product (which creates licensing problems) but to make the
>>>> User/Administrator reference manual(s) available.
>>>>
>>>> Such manuals are usually rich in screen shots.
>>>>
>>>> A pdf format for such manuals is probably the least complicated
>>>> approach to making such documentation available.
>>>>
>>>> I have two products that are supplied commercially. One is based on PB
>>>> 6.5 (and still functioning very well) and the second uses PB 10.5. I
>>>> am happy to make the user manuals available. Both items are in pdf
>>>> format and are rich in screen shots.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments?
>>>>
>>>> Alastair Walker
>>>>> On 20 Feb 2009 10:44:26 -0800, "Roland Smith [TeamSybase]"
>>>>> <rsmith_at_trusthss_dot_com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know of any. Perhaps if someone at Sybase were to state that
>>>>>> ISV ng
>>>>>> users were allowed to have discussion of product specifics, it might
>>>>>> become
>>>>>> a better resource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My customers are pretty spread out, several countries with only 1 or 2
>>>>>> copies. The only reason I mentioned it was because of the timezone
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>> when checking the file datetimestamp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Bill Chestnut> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:499eecc0.1293.1681692777@sybase.com...
>>>>>>> Roland,
>>>>>>> I am aware of the protocol rules regarding the flogging of
>>>>>>> commercial products on these forums. However, your mention
>>>>>>> of having a product that is selling world wide prompts a
>>>>>>> question I have had for some time. I would like to have a
>>>>>>> look at your products and those of other PB developers that
>>>>>>> have gotten their products to commercial status.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any forum out there in web land which offers
>>>>>>> developers of PB commercial apps a chance to compare their
>>>>>>> products and obtain critical comment on their apps? The
>>>>>>> commercial-isv forum does not offer this, as it seems to
>>>>>>> follow the same protocol prohibition about directly
>>>>>>> mentioning or displaying PB products, restricting itself to
>>>>>>> issues about going commercial. I am also aware of the RING
>>>>>>> network but it is a little spotty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there something else? I know that I could benefit from
>>>>>>> the ideas that other PB commercial developers have
>>>>>>> implemented and I would appreciate comment on what I am
>>>>>>> doing, perhaps even with the idea of having other PB
>>>>>>> developers take part in beta testing.
>>>>>>> Any suggestions? Do you think other PB developers would
>>>>>>> welcome such a forum or would they be more likely to want to
>>>>>>> avoid the direct gaze of their peers, or possibly,
>>>>>>> competitors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And while I'm at it, thanks, Roland, for all the excellent
>>>>>>> advice and suggestions that you make on these forums. You
>>>>>>> are making a terrific contribution to the lives of
>>>>>>> developers everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the speed of Internet connections today, the extra
>>>>>>>> complications of partial file patches is just not worth
>>>>>>>> the extra headaches. For PowerBuilder the best thing to
>>>>>>>> do is always perform a Full-Build compile and deploy the
>>>>>>>> entire set of files whenever there is an update.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a program used by people all over the world and it
>>>>>>>> downloads and installs updates to itself automatically
>>>>>>>> without the use of any extra cost third party software.
>>>>>>>> Basically it works like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My website has a text file on it that is a list of all the
>>>>>>>> files that make up the app and the datetimestamp of each
>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The app uses GetURL to download the file and imports it
>>>>>>>> into a datastore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Walking thru each row of the datastore, it checks the
>>>>>>>> datetimestamp of each file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If any file is changed, it ask the user if it is ok to
>>>>>>>> proceed with download.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Each file is contained within a password protected
>>>>>>>> zipfile. For example, PBVM105.DLL is contained within
>>>>>>>> PBVM105.DLL.ZIP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the changed zipfiles are downloaded to the temp
>>>>>>>> directory using GetURL. The files are extracted from the
>>>>>>>> zipfile using ZLIB, a totally free zip library.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The program then creates a vbscript file containing copy
>>>>>>>> command to copy the files from the temp directory into
>>>>>>>> the install directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The user is prompted to exit the app. When they exit, the
>>>>>>>> vbscript is executed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last line of the vbscript is a message to the user
>>>>>>>> that they can rerun the app.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wroite a utility program that creates the zipfiles and
>>>>>>>> uses FTP to upload the zipfiles and the filelist text
>>>>>>>> file. Vista normally does not allow running vbscript
>>>>>>>> files so the UAC has to be turned off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Grigoris Tsolakidis"
>>>>>>>> <gcholakidis@spam_remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:499e7fb8@forums-1-dub... Hi.
>>>>>>>>> Does anybody have expirience using comersial libraries
>>>>>>>>> for patch managment in
>>>>>>>>> PB 9/11 Application?
>>>>>>>>> Do you deploy all pbd's or use some tools for byte
>>>>>>>>> comparision for smaller patches
>>>>>>>>> like www.pocketsoft.com or www.agentsoft.com ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>


Jeff Gibson Posted on 2009-03-03 22:09:23.0Z
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I wouldn't jump on this too quickly.

Sybase is looking into possibly implementing ISV enhancements in order to
showcase companies like ours. No reason for us to run down this road just
yet if Sybase is doing it for us. A group of us met with Sybase back at
TechWave last year and discussed these specific options.

Second, I would take exception to your point. (Authors: Unlikely that more
than 100 vendors are around).

I'm aware of a LOT of companies that use PowerBuilder to develop commercial
solutions. And I'll guarantee you that I am only aware of a small
percentage of companies that have developed one or more solutions using
PowerBuilder as a development tool.

If somebody told me that there were 1000 companies developing commercial
solutions using PowerBuilder, I would have no problems believing that.

Jeff Gibson
Intercept Solutions - Sybase SQL Anywhere OEM Partner
Nashville, TN

"Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch> wrote in message
news:49acb59f$1@forums-1-dub...
>- Maintenance: By the guy who sets sup the site
> - Authors: Unlikely that more than 100 vendors are around. Data could be
> added by site maintainer
> - Decision on who could publish would be made by the site owner
> - Cost: domain name for 5 - 10 years about USD 200 + time to maintain
> - Income: Depending, could be a fix price per product and year
>
> This is in my opinion about business, the free solution is posting to a
> newsgroup.
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> "Randy" <CGreenwellAtsparusaDotcom> wrote in message
> news:49ac41ae$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Who will maintain it? What if you have more than 100 authors? Who makes
>> the decision for allowing an author. Cost?
>>
>> My first thoughts.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Arthur Hefti wrote:
>>> It just come into my mind.
>>> How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
>>> customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but
>>> e.g. www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors
>>> could be added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments
>>> are possible, indexing in search engines is extremely good.
>>> I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no
>>> difference between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>


Arthur Hefti Posted on 2009-03-08 11:14:59.0Z
From: "Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch>
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One thing came into my mind. If these are products that can be added to
solutions written in PowerBuilder or have an additional benefit on
PowerBuilder solutions it would make sense to have them listed on a common
site.
However if this are solutions for end user it won't make sense to have them
listed on a PowerBuilder specific site. The customers don't search for
solutions written in language xy but solutions for there problems. It might
be that they're interested in which language the solution is written and
than hopefully don't mind that's written in PowerBuilder.

Arthur

"Jeff Gibson" <jgibson@interceptsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:49adaa93@forums-1-dub...
>I wouldn't jump on this too quickly.
>
> Sybase is looking into possibly implementing ISV enhancements in order to
> showcase companies like ours. No reason for us to run down this road just
> yet if Sybase is doing it for us. A group of us met with Sybase back at
> TechWave last year and discussed these specific options.
>
> Second, I would take exception to your point. (Authors: Unlikely that
> more than 100 vendors are around).
>
> I'm aware of a LOT of companies that use PowerBuilder to develop
> commercial solutions. And I'll guarantee you that I am only aware of a
> small percentage of companies that have developed one or more solutions
> using PowerBuilder as a development tool.
>
> If somebody told me that there were 1000 companies developing commercial
> solutions using PowerBuilder, I would have no problems believing that.
>
> Jeff Gibson
> Intercept Solutions - Sybase SQL Anywhere OEM Partner
> Nashville, TN
>
> "Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch> wrote in message
> news:49acb59f$1@forums-1-dub...
>>- Maintenance: By the guy who sets sup the site
>> - Authors: Unlikely that more than 100 vendors are around. Data could be
>> added by site maintainer
>> - Decision on who could publish would be made by the site owner
>> - Cost: domain name for 5 - 10 years about USD 200 + time to maintain
>> - Income: Depending, could be a fix price per product and year
>>
>> This is in my opinion about business, the free solution is posting to a
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> "Randy" <CGreenwellAtsparusaDotcom> wrote in message
>> news:49ac41ae$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Who will maintain it? What if you have more than 100 authors? Who
>>> makes the decision for allowing an author. Cost?
>>>
>>> My first thoughts.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Arthur Hefti wrote:
>>>> It just come into my mind.
>>>> How about opening a blog with blogger.com (Google). They are highly
>>>> customizable, can be called through a normal URL (no blogger.com but
>>>> e.g. www.theultimativepbresourcesite.com or similar. Up to 100 authors
>>>> could be added. Products could be labeled for a quick access. Comments
>>>> are possible, indexing in search engines is extremely good.
>>>> I run our company blog on blogger.com and you can't almost see no
>>>> difference between the website and the blog: http://blog.catsoft.ch/
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> Arthur
>>>>
>>>>
>
>


Jeff Gibson Posted on 2009-03-10 15:48:41.0Z
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From: "Jeff Gibson" <jgibson@interceptsolutions.com>
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Arthur,

The point is that a lot of companies that look at what tool set to use, are
under the impression that you can not generate a compelling application
within PowerBuilder. To them it's old, dated and stale. If they can look
at demos that show examples of dynamic applications that are developed in
the PowerBuilder environment, it is libal to stear some of them to or back
into the PowerBuilder fold. IMHO. :-)

Microsoft has an example of this....

http://www.microsoft.com/isv/showcase.aspx

Even codegear (Delphi) has some case studies on their website that cover the
solutions that were developed using the toolset.

I would agree with you though. It would be a GREAT idea to have a section
on Sybase's website that covered untilities that were designed to work with
PowerBuilder.

Jeff Gibson
Intercept Solutions - Sybase SQL Anywhere OEM Partner
Nashville, TN

"Arthur Hefti" <arthur@catsoft.ch> wrote in message
news:49b3a8b3$1@forums-1-dub...
> One thing came into my mind. If these are products that can be added to
> solutions written in PowerBuilder or have an additional benefit on
> PowerBuilder solutions it would make sense to have them listed on a common
> site.
> However if this are solutions for end user it won't make sense to have
> them listed on a PowerBuilder specific site. The customers don't search
> for solutions written in language xy but solutions for there problems. It
> might be that they're interested in which language the solution is written
> and than hopefully don't mind that's written in PowerBuilder.
>
> Arthur
>
> "Jeff Gibson" <jgibson@interceptsolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:49adaa93@forums-1-dub...
>>I wouldn't jump on this too quickly.
>>
>> Sybase is looking into possibly implementing ISV enhancements in order to
>> showcase companies like ours. No reason for us to run down this road
>> just yet if Sybase is doing it for us. A group of us met with Sybase
>> back at TechWave last year and discussed these specific options.
>>
>> Second, I would take exception to your point. (Authors: Unlikely that
>> more than 100 vendors are around).
>>
>> I'm aware of a LOT of companies that use PowerBuilder to develop
>> commercial solutions. And I'll guarantee you that I am only aware of a
>> small percentage of companies that have developed one or more solutions
>> using PowerBuilder as a development tool.
>>
>> If somebody told me that there were 1000 companies developing commercial
>> solutions using PowerBuilder, I would have no problems believing that.
>>
>> Jeff Gibson
>> Intercept Solutions - Sybase SQL Anywhere OEM Partner
>> Nashville, TN