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Interest in SNMP?

5 posts in ,  AdministrationProduct Futures Discussion General Discussion Last posting was on 2002-10-16 18:53:23.0Z
Steve Olson Posted on 2002-10-10 18:47:38.0Z
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:47:38 -0400
From: Steve Olson <olson@sybase.nospamminplease.com>
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On the macosx platform, we provide an SNMP subagent for ASE. This
subagent implements the standard RDBMS MIB, plus a Sybase-specific
MIB. The sub-agent is written in Java, and is designed to work with
NetSNMP as the master agent. The two communicate with each other
using the AgentX protocol (http://www.net-snmp.org).

My question is: would this be of interest to the general ASE
community? If so, we are evaluating various deployment/support options:

1) unsupported - download from our web site (Sybase Developer
Network), which would contain all source code, and the rest is up to
you. This of course is the lowest-cost approach (for Sybase)

2) newsgroup support only - same as 1), but with newsgroup support
monitored by Sybase engineering and tech support.

3) full support - this would require us to associate the sub-agent
with a release of ASE (current thinking: 12.5.0.3), and support would
be provided by our Tech Support organization. This is the
highest-cost approach for us.

If we go with 1), it seems possible for the subagent to be used with
any release of ASE. If we go with 2), there would likely be some
limitations on the versions of ASE we would support. if we go with
3), support would be limited to the version of ASE that provided the
snmp subagent in its distribution media.

We are looking for feedback - our experience with this software so far
is that there's currently no reason to tie the subagent to a
particular release of ASE; in theory any current version of ASE could
be snmp-enabled with this component.

Your thoughts/comments/observations are welcome!

Regards,
Steve Olson
Director, Engineering
Enterprise Solutions Division
Sybase, Inc.


Anthony Mandic Posted on 2002-10-15 19:34:15.0Z
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Steve Olson wrote:
>
> On the macosx platform, we provide an SNMP subagent for ASE. This
> subagent implements the standard RDBMS MIB, plus a Sybase-specific
> MIB. The sub-agent is written in Java, and is designed to work with
> NetSNMP as the master agent. The two communicate with each other
> using the AgentX protocol (http://www.net-snmp.org).
>
> My question is: would this be of interest to the general ASE
> community?

Yes, very much so. I used to use the old System XI subagent
with Sun Net Manager.

> If so, we are evaluating various deployment/support options:
>
> 1) unsupported - download from our web site (Sybase Developer
> Network), which would contain all source code, and the rest is up to
> you. This of course is the lowest-cost approach (for Sybase)
>
> 2) newsgroup support only - same as 1), but with newsgroup support
> monitored by Sybase engineering and tech support.
>
> 3) full support - this would require us to associate the sub-agent
> with a release of ASE (current thinking: 12.5.0.3), and support would
> be provided by our Tech Support organization. This is the
> highest-cost approach for us.
>
> If we go with 1), it seems possible for the subagent to be used with
> any release of ASE. If we go with 2), there would likely be some
> limitations on the versions of ASE we would support. if we go with
> 3), support would be limited to the version of ASE that provided the
> snmp subagent in its distribution media.
>
> We are looking for feedback - our experience with this software so far
> is that there's currently no reason to tie the subagent to a
> particular release of ASE; in theory any current version of ASE could
> be snmp-enabled with this component.

I would go with 1 simply because you can open source it. That
way the user community can help develop/maintain it. A specific
newsgroup for it would be nice (otherwise one of the jConnect
ones if it fits in there), with the community working on it
holding discussions there. This wouldn't necessarily obligate
support from Sybase, but some Sybase engineers providing
direction etc. wouldn't go astray either.

-am © 2002


George Saylor Posted on 2002-10-12 22:07:01.0Z
From: "George Saylor" <gmsayloriii@email.msn.com>
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I would like to see option 2, and/or 3

2 - for those who are too poor or cheap to pay and have the skills needed
to deploy it, or for those on older releases of ASE

3 - for big enterprises that use SNMP heavily and could leverage this with
their existing framework, and who'd be willing to pay for the support.

Why not give the software away (since it sounds like Sybase might anyway)
and charge for support in its own right (Sybase can give specific version
requirements to the paying customer of course)


George Saylor

"Steve Olson" <olson@sybase.nospamminplease.com> wrote in message
news:eLjdA$IcCHA.197@forums.sybase.com...
> On the macosx platform, we provide an SNMP subagent for ASE. This
> subagent implements the standard RDBMS MIB, plus a Sybase-specific
> MIB. The sub-agent is written in Java, and is designed to work with
> NetSNMP as the master agent. The two communicate with each other
> using the AgentX protocol (http://www.net-snmp.org).
>
> My question is: would this be of interest to the general ASE
> community? If so, we are evaluating various deployment/support options:
>
> 1) unsupported - download from our web site (Sybase Developer
> Network), which would contain all source code, and the rest is up to
> you. This of course is the lowest-cost approach (for Sybase)
>
> 2) newsgroup support only - same as 1), but with newsgroup support
> monitored by Sybase engineering and tech support.
>
> 3) full support - this would require us to associate the sub-agent
> with a release of ASE (current thinking: 12.5.0.3), and support would
> be provided by our Tech Support organization. This is the
> highest-cost approach for us.
>
> If we go with 1), it seems possible for the subagent to be used with
> any release of ASE. If we go with 2), there would likely be some
> limitations on the versions of ASE we would support. if we go with
> 3), support would be limited to the version of ASE that provided the
> snmp subagent in its distribution media.
>
> We are looking for feedback - our experience with this software so far
> is that there's currently no reason to tie the subagent to a
> particular release of ASE; in theory any current version of ASE could
> be snmp-enabled with this component.
>
> Your thoughts/comments/observations are welcome!
>
> Regards,
> Steve Olson
> Director, Engineering
> Enterprise Solutions Division
> Sybase, Inc.
>


Mike Harrold Posted on 2002-10-14 18:52:09.0Z
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In article <wmAsJwjcCHA.278@forums.sybase.com>,

George Saylor <gmsayloriii@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>I would like to see option 2, and/or 3
>
>2 - for those who are too poor or cheap to pay and have the skills needed
>to deploy it, or for those on older releases of ASE
>
>3 - for big enterprises that use SNMP heavily and could leverage this with
>their existing framework, and who'd be willing to pay for the support.
>
>Why not give the software away (since it sounds like Sybase might anyway)
>and charge for support in its own right (Sybase can give specific version
>requirements to the paying customer of course)

I'd second this, but I am not the one paying the bill :-)

Could you mix in #1 for the unsupported ASE releases?

/Mike

>
>
>George Saylor
>
>"Steve Olson" <olson@sybase.nospamminplease.com> wrote in message
>news:eLjdA$IcCHA.197@forums.sybase.com...
>> On the macosx platform, we provide an SNMP subagent for ASE. This
>> subagent implements the standard RDBMS MIB, plus a Sybase-specific
>> MIB. The sub-agent is written in Java, and is designed to work with
>> NetSNMP as the master agent. The two communicate with each other
>> using the AgentX protocol (http://www.net-snmp.org).
>>
>> My question is: would this be of interest to the general ASE
>> community? If so, we are evaluating various deployment/support options:
>>
>> 1) unsupported - download from our web site (Sybase Developer
>> Network), which would contain all source code, and the rest is up to
>> you. This of course is the lowest-cost approach (for Sybase)
>>
>> 2) newsgroup support only - same as 1), but with newsgroup support
>> monitored by Sybase engineering and tech support.
>>
>> 3) full support - this would require us to associate the sub-agent
>> with a release of ASE (current thinking: 12.5.0.3), and support would
>> be provided by our Tech Support organization. This is the
>> highest-cost approach for us.
>>
>> If we go with 1), it seems possible for the subagent to be used with
>> any release of ASE. If we go with 2), there would likely be some
>> limitations on the versions of ASE we would support. if we go with
>> 3), support would be limited to the version of ASE that provided the
>> snmp subagent in its distribution media.
>>
>> We are looking for feedback - our experience with this software so far
>> is that there's currently no reason to tie the subagent to a
>> particular release of ASE; in theory any current version of ASE could
>> be snmp-enabled with this component.
>>
>> Your thoughts/comments/observations are welcome!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve Olson
>> Director, Engineering
>> Enterprise Solutions Division
>> Sybase, Inc.
>>
>
>


j Posted on 2002-10-16 18:53:23.0Z
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>> My question is: would this be of interest to the general ASE
>> community? If so, we are evaluating various deployment/support options:
>>
>> 1) unsupported - download from our web site (Sybase Developer
>> Network), which would contain all source code, and the rest is up to
>> you. This of course is the lowest-cost approach (for Sybase)
>>
>> 2) newsgroup support only - same as 1), but with newsgroup support
>> monitored by Sybase engineering and tech support.
>>

I think options 1 & 2 will be a good start to gauge the customer needs. I
definitely have customers screaming for this, and they will be happy with
options 1 & 2. Some other would want full supportability. (If at a cost,
they may be willing to go for that too.)

Cheers

Johan