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The future of PB/EAServer

10 posts in Job Postings Last posting was on 2002-08-20 23:57:29.0Z
Tana Posted on 2001-12-21 16:52:10.0Z
From: "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com>
Subject: The future of PB/EAServer
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We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions, as well
as client/server.
It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to go away
.....
But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.

I will give you example:
My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for Web
development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer can have
his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our framework(without
any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application that
represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples

We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all based on
Sybase software.
We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living proof
that Sybase software is great solution for developing Web/client-server
applications.
Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.

We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples) and they
showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended hand,
how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?

Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer ......
So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?

Team Hepek
www.hepek.com


Anish Balakrishnan Posted on 2002-02-12 02:16:02.0Z
From: "Anish Balakrishnan" <anishb@hotmail.com>
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Check this out ........

http://www.novalys.net/info/survey_pb_result2.htm

Anish

Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote in message
news:iZ19kEkiBHA.303@forums.sybase.com...
> We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions, as
well
> as client/server.
> It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to go
away
> .....
> But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
> I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
>
> I will give you example:
> My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for Web
> development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer can
have
> his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
framework(without
> any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application that
> represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
> http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
>
> We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all based on
> Sybase software.
> We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living proof
> that Sybase software is great solution for developing Web/client-server
> applications.
> Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
>
> We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples) and
they
> showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended hand,
> how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
>
> Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer ......
> So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
>
> Team Hepek
> www.hepek.com
>
>
>


Tim Byford Posted on 2002-02-12 06:15:27.0Z
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Its good to see all the PB developer support out there. Reading the
comments, there is quite a consensus on why PB is declining - lack of
marketing.

Tim

"Anish Balakrishnan" <anishb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7XV5lw2sBHA.304@forums.sybase.com...
> Check this out ........
>
> http://www.novalys.net/info/survey_pb_result2.htm
>
> Anish
>
>
> Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote in message
> news:iZ19kEkiBHA.303@forums.sybase.com...
> > We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions, as
> well
> > as client/server.
> > It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to go
> away
> > .....
> > But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
> > I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
> >
> > I will give you example:
> > My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for Web
> > development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer can
> have
> > his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
> framework(without
> > any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application that
> > represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
> > http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
> >
> > We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all based
on
> > Sybase software.
> > We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living
proof
> > that Sybase software is great solution for developing Web/client-server
> > applications.
> > Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
> >
> > We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples) and
> they
> > showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended
hand,
> > how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
> >
> > Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer ......
> > So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
> >
> > Team Hepek
> > www.hepek.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>


Jerry Siegel Posted on 2002-01-07 21:05:18.0Z
From: "Jerry Siegel" <jerrys@data-sci.com.NOSPAM>
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All too true. See
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D706%2526a%253D20507,00.asp

Art Kayne wrote in message ...
>I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these days.
>
>Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
Oracle,
>M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to even
be
>a competitor.
>
>art
>
>"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
>> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
>> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a tough
>> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
>>
>> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle would
>> hope).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
>> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed using
>> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
>development
>> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention the
>local job
>> >market.
>> >
>> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
>PeopleSoft, but
>> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
think
>of
>> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
>> >
>> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft on
its
>toes.
>> >
>> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
>> > in news.job_postings
>> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions, as
>well
>> >>as client/server.
>> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to go
>away
>> >>......
>> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
>> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
>> >>
>> >>I will give you example:
>> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for Web
>> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer can
>have
>> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
>framework(without
>> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application that
>> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
>>
>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
>> >>
>> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all based
>on
>> >>Sybase software.
>> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living
>proof
>> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing Web/client-server
>> >>applications.
>> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
>> >>
>> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples) and
>they
>> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended
>hand,
>> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
>> >>
>> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
......
>> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
>> >>
>> >>Team Hepek
>> >>www.hepek.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
>> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>
>


Dave Fish [Team Sybase] Posted on 2002-01-25 03:29:33.0Z
From: dfish@sybase.com (Dave Fish [Team Sybase])
Subject: Re: The future of PB/EAServer
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:29:33 GMT
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Check out http://www.sybase.com/detail/1,6904,1017425,00.html

Doesn't sound like a company on the way down to me.

Regards,
Dave Fish [TeamSybase]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:45 -0500, "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:

>Because they are predicting that Sybase will go down, so they can take all
>Sybase customers.
>
>I am Sybase's best friend probably, but the sad fact is that Sybase will be
>out of scope soon.
>Unfortunately, PB/EAServer developers should look at some other solutions.
>
>And I only blame Sybase marketing, because we all know that Sybase software
>is the greatest software for Web/Client-server applications.
>
>Tana
>
>
>"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>news:3c3879b4.1850681@forums.sybase.com...
>> Then why did Oracle implement Safe Switch, a program to convert Sybase
>> users to Oracle?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:25:11 -0800, "Art Kayne" <art.kayne@disney.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these days.
>> >
>> >Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
>Oracle,
>> >M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to even
>be
>> >a competitor.
>> >
>> >art
>> >
>> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
>> >> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
>> >> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a tough
>> >> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
>> >>
>> >> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle would
>> >> hope).
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
>> >> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed
>using
>> >> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
>> >development
>> >> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention the
>> >local job
>> >> >market.
>> >> >
>> >> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
>> >PeopleSoft, but
>> >> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
>think
>> >of
>> >> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
>> >> >
>> >> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft on
>its
>> >toes.
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
>> >> > in news.job_postings
>> >> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>> >> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions,
>as
>> >well
>> >> >>as client/server.
>> >> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to
>go
>> >away
>> >> >>......
>> >> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
>> >> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I will give you example:
>> >> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for
>Web
>> >> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer
>can
>> >have
>> >> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
>> >framework(without
>> >> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application
>that
>> >> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
>> >>
>>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all
>based
>> >on
>> >> >>Sybase software.
>> >> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living
>> >proof
>> >> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing
>Web/client-server
>> >> >>applications.
>> >> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples)
>and
>> >they
>> >> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended
>> >hand,
>> >> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
>......
>> >> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Team Hepek
>> >> >>www.hepek.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
>> >> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>
>

Regards,
Dave Fish [TeamSybase]


John Posted on 2002-08-19 16:59:20.0Z
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From: "John" <johncmento@msn.com>
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Do you know how many pb programmers got laid off from same Emeryville
office,
because sybase professional servieses couldn't find any project for them.

John

"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:3c50d0fd.8695012@forums.sybase.com...
> Check out http://www.sybase.com/detail/1,6904,1017425,00.html
>
> Doesn't sound like a company on the way down to me.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:45 -0500, "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>
> >Because they are predicting that Sybase will go down, so they can take
all
> >Sybase customers.
> >
> >I am Sybase's best friend probably, but the sad fact is that Sybase will
be
> >out of scope soon.
> >Unfortunately, PB/EAServer developers should look at some other
solutions.
> >
> >And I only blame Sybase marketing, because we all know that Sybase
software
> >is the greatest software for Web/Client-server applications.
> >
> >Tana
> >
> >
> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
> >news:3c3879b4.1850681@forums.sybase.com...
> >> Then why did Oracle implement Safe Switch, a program to convert Sybase
> >> users to Oracle?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >>
> >> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:25:11 -0800, "Art Kayne" <art.kayne@disney.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these
days.
> >> >
> >> >Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
> >Oracle,
> >> >M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to
even
> >be
> >> >a competitor.
> >> >
> >> >art
> >> >
> >> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
> >> >> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
> >> >> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a
tough
> >> >> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle
would
> >> >> hope).
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
> >> >> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed
> >using
> >> >> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
> >> >development
> >> >> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention
the
> >> >local job
> >> >> >market.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
> >> >PeopleSoft, but
> >> >> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
> >think
> >> >of
> >> >> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft
on
> >its
> >> >toes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
> >> >> > in news.job_postings
> >> >> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web
solutions,
> >as
> >> >well
> >> >> >>as client/server.
> >> >> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer
to
> >go
> >> >away
> >> >> >>......
> >> >> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
> >> >> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I will give you example:
> >> >> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for
> >Web
> >> >> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB
developer
> >can
> >> >have
> >> >> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
> >> >framework(without
> >> >> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application
> >that
> >> >> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by
framework.
> >> >>
>
>>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all
> >based
> >> >on
> >> >> >>Sybase software.
> >> >> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a
living
> >> >proof
> >> >> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing
> >Web/client-server
> >> >> >>applications.
> >> >> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples)
> >and
> >> >they
> >> >> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our
extended
> >> >hand,
> >> >> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
> >......
> >> >> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Team Hepek
> >> >> >>www.hepek.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
> >> >> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >>
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>


Jim Cameron Posted on 2002-08-20 23:57:29.0Z
From: Jim Cameron <jcameron@kingwoodcable.net>
Subject: Re: The future of PB/EAServer
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John -

Good reply

Jim Cameron
(Sybase class of 2001)

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:20 -0400, "John" <johncmento@msn.com> wrote:

>Do you know how many pb programmers got laid off from same Emeryville
>office,
>because sybase professional servieses couldn't find any project for them.
>
>John
>
>"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>news:3c50d0fd.8695012@forums.sybase.com...
>> Check out http://www.sybase.com/detail/1,6904,1017425,00.html
>>
>> Doesn't sound like a company on the way down to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:45 -0500, "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Because they are predicting that Sybase will go down, so they can take
>all
>> >Sybase customers.
>> >
>> >I am Sybase's best friend probably, but the sad fact is that Sybase will
>be
>> >out of scope soon.
>> >Unfortunately, PB/EAServer developers should look at some other
>solutions.
>> >
>> >And I only blame Sybase marketing, because we all know that Sybase
>software
>> >is the greatest software for Web/Client-server applications.
>> >
>> >Tana
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3c3879b4.1850681@forums.sybase.com...
>> >> Then why did Oracle implement Safe Switch, a program to convert Sybase
>> >> users to Oracle?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:25:11 -0800, "Art Kayne" <art.kayne@disney.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these
>days.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
>> >Oracle,
>> >> >M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to
>even
>> >be
>> >> >a competitor.
>> >> >
>> >> >art
>> >> >
>> >> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
>> >> >> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
>> >> >> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a
>tough
>> >> >> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle
>would
>> >> >> hope).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
>> >> >> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed
>> >using
>> >> >> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
>> >> >development
>> >> >> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention
>the
>> >> >local job
>> >> >> >market.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
>> >> >PeopleSoft, but
>> >> >> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
>> >think
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft
>on
>> >its
>> >> >toes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
>> >> >> > in news.job_postings
>> >> >> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web
>solutions,
>> >as
>> >> >well
>> >> >> >>as client/server.
>> >> >> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer
>to
>> >go
>> >> >away
>> >> >> >>......
>> >> >> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
>> >> >> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I will give you example:
>> >> >> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for
>> >Web
>> >> >> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB
>developer
>> >can
>> >> >have
>> >> >> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
>> >> >framework(without
>> >> >> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application
>> >that
>> >> >> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by
>framework.
>> >> >>
>>
>>>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all
>> >based
>> >> >on
>> >> >> >>Sybase software.
>> >> >> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a
>living
>> >> >proof
>> >> >> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing
>> >Web/client-server
>> >> >> >>applications.
>> >> >> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples)
>> >and
>> >> >they
>> >> >> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our
>extended
>> >> >hand,
>> >> >> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
>> >......
>> >> >> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Team Hepek
>> >> >> >>www.hepek.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
>> >> >> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>


"Pavel Galynin" <rusko23 Posted on 2002-06-22 06:02:50.0Z
From: "Pavel Galynin" <rusko23@___no_spam_for_me__directvinternet.com>
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im no expert on stocks/finance, but 'pro forma' rings a bell. where could i
have heard it? ahhh, enron. hmmm... ;)

also 'which excludes amortization of purchased intangibles..'. doesnt that
mean they blew a whole lot of money on something which has no value (and no
visible shape, size, form or any physical presence for that matter) and
excluded it from their earnings report?

if someone took a transcript of the sybase shareholder meeting, here is what
might be in it:

'dear stockholders, the heavens have been good to us. we made a whole bunch
of cash and are in great shape. [cheers from the audience] by the way, we
blew most of it on something (we dont quite know what it is , but we know
its intangible). [cheers from the audience] But dont you worry your pretty
little heads over this, everybody does that and they are doing just fine (in
fact, my buddy ken lay just bought a new pro forma boat, pro forma house and
a pro forma chopper) [cheers from the audience] good things are ahead. ahh,
almost forgot, almost noone buys our database products anymore. well folks,
you have a good summer now. [cheers from the audience]'

pavel

"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
news:3c50d0fd.8695012@forums.sybase.com...
> Check out http://www.sybase.com/detail/1,6904,1017425,00.html
>
> Doesn't sound like a company on the way down to me.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:45 -0500, "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>
> >Because they are predicting that Sybase will go down, so they can take
all
> >Sybase customers.
> >
> >I am Sybase's best friend probably, but the sad fact is that Sybase will
be
> >out of scope soon.
> >Unfortunately, PB/EAServer developers should look at some other
solutions.
> >
> >And I only blame Sybase marketing, because we all know that Sybase
software
> >is the greatest software for Web/Client-server applications.
> >
> >Tana
> >
> >
> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
> >news:3c3879b4.1850681@forums.sybase.com...
> >> Then why did Oracle implement Safe Switch, a program to convert Sybase
> >> users to Oracle?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >>
> >> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:25:11 -0800, "Art Kayne" <art.kayne@disney.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these
days.
> >> >
> >> >Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
> >Oracle,
> >> >M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to
even
> >be
> >> >a competitor.
> >> >
> >> >art
> >> >
> >> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
> >> >> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
> >> >> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a
tough
> >> >> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle
would
> >> >> hope).
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
> >> >> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed
> >using
> >> >> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
> >> >development
> >> >> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention
the
> >> >local job
> >> >> >market.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
> >> >PeopleSoft, but
> >> >> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
> >think
> >> >of
> >> >> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft
on
> >its
> >> >toes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
> >> >> > in news.job_postings
> >> >> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web
solutions,
> >as
> >> >well
> >> >> >>as client/server.
> >> >> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer
to
> >go
> >> >away
> >> >> >>......
> >> >> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
> >> >> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I will give you example:
> >> >> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for
> >Web
> >> >> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB
developer
> >can
> >> >have
> >> >> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
> >> >framework(without
> >> >> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application
> >that
> >> >> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by
framework.
> >> >>
>
>>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all
> >based
> >> >on
> >> >> >>Sybase software.
> >> >> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a
living
> >> >proof
> >> >> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing
> >Web/client-server
> >> >> >>applications.
> >> >> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples)
> >and
> >> >they
> >> >> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our
extended
> >> >hand,
> >> >> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
> >......
> >> >> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Team Hepek
> >> >> >>www.hepek.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
> >> >> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
> >>
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>


Dave Fish [Team Sybase] Posted on 2002-01-09 04:11:58.0Z
From: dfish@sybase.com (Dave Fish [Team Sybase])
Subject: Re: The future of PB/EAServer
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:11:58 GMT
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I'm no fan of Sybase Marketing (is there such an entity?), but I don't
think your prediction will come true. Sybase is a very strong company
right now. They are one of th top 10 independant software companies in
the world. They are making money. Sure they aren't as big as Oracle or
Microsoft, but they aren't exactly a struggling startup either.

My point about the Safe Switch program was apparently missed. If
Sybase wasn't a blip on Oracle's radar, then why would Oracle
implement a program to try and get Sybase's customers to switch? Why
spend money on a program if there aren't enough customers to make it
worth their while?

Only time will tell I suppose, but my prediction is that Sybase will
be around for quite a while.

Regards,
Dave Fish [TeamSybase]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:45 -0500, "Tana" <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:

>Because they are predicting that Sybase will go down, so they can take all
>Sybase customers.
>
>I am Sybase's best friend probably, but the sad fact is that Sybase will be
>out of scope soon.
>Unfortunately, PB/EAServer developers should look at some other solutions.
>
>And I only blame Sybase marketing, because we all know that Sybase software
>is the greatest software for Web/Client-server applications.
>
>Tana
>
>
>"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>news:3c3879b4.1850681@forums.sybase.com...
>> Then why did Oracle implement Safe Switch, a program to convert Sybase
>> users to Oracle?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:25:11 -0800, "Art Kayne" <art.kayne@disney.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't believe that Sybase is even a blip on Oracle's radar these days.
>> >
>> >Sybase hardly ever gets mentioned any more in the trades. Only IBM,
>Oracle,
>> >M$oft and Sun ever get press. Sybase is not considered big enough to even
>be
>> >a competitor.
>> >
>> >art
>> >
>> >"Dave Fish [Team Sybase]" <dfish@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3c349c5b.13916270@forums.sybase.com...
>> >> I don't think Sybase is currently in any danger of going under. Did
>> >> you know that 2000 what the company's best year ever? 2001 was a tough
>> >> year for everyone but Sybase still did pretty well.
>> >>
>> >> Talk of Sybase's death is greatly premature (despite what Oracle would
>> >> hope).
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:43:12 -0500, "Vance Arocho"
>> >> <Vance.ArochoATcorporate.ge.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree whole-heartedly. Where I work, HR apps that were developed
>using
>> >> >PowerBuilder will be moved to PeopleSoft. There's very little new
>> >development
>> >> >being done with PowerBuilder where I work as well, not to mention the
>> >local job
>> >> >market.
>> >> >
>> >> >Some of the Java server apps here will probably also be moved to
>> >PeopleSoft, but
>> >> >right now the application server being used is Sun's iPlanet. I can
>think
>> >of
>> >> >only one organization in my job market using EAServer.
>> >> >
>> >> >If Sybase goes under, there goes another company to keep Microsoft on
>its
>> >toes.
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:52:10 -0500,
>> >> > in news.job_postings
>> >> >Tana <tana@acedsl.com> wrote:
>> >> >>We all know that Sybase has the greatest software for Web solutions,
>as
>> >well
>> >> >>as client/server.
>> >> >>It is very sad to see such a great software like PB and EAServer to
>go
>> >away
>> >> >>......
>> >> >>But the fact is Sybase is loosing the battle, maybe even the war.
>> >> >>I blame Sybase marketing for this, they simply do not function.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I will give you example:
>> >> >>My company developed a PB/EAServer framework, a great solution for
>Web
>> >> >>development, as well as client-server apps. An average PB developer
>can
>> >have
>> >> >>his/her first Web application in mater of hours using our
>> >framework(without
>> >> >>any Java or Web knowledge). There is live Web example application
>that
>> >> >>represents some basic services and utilities provided by framework.
>> >>
>>>http://66.114.65.75/Hepek/Examples/ExamplesLogin.jsp?props_file=Examples
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We notified Sybase about our framework and live Web examples, all
>based
>> >on
>> >> >>Sybase software.
>> >> >>We asked them to check the examples, since our framework is a living
>> >proof
>> >> >>that Sybase software is great solution for developing
>Web/client-server
>> >> >>applications.
>> >> >>Guess what - no person from Sybase ever run the examples.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We offer them the best marketing tool available(live Web examples)
>and
>> >they
>> >> >>showed no interest at all. If they do not want to shake our extended
>> >hand,
>> >> >>how can you expect them to extend their hand to their customers?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Sad, very sad to loose such a great software like PB and EAServer
>......
>> >> >>So, what do you think - what's the future of Sybase products?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Team Hepek
>> >> >>www.hepek.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >---== Posted via the PFCGuide Web Newsreader ==---
>> >> >http://www.pfcguide.com/_newsgroups/group_list.asp
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Fish [TeamSybase]
>>
>
>

Regards,
Dave Fish [TeamSybase]


Vasu Posted on 2002-01-15 05:06:17.0Z
From: "Vasu" <kr_vasudev@yahoo.com>
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Dear Tana

What you said about Sybase Marketing Strategy is 100% true fact.
I'm basically from Bangalore, India. We use only Sybase Products
till today we never had any kind of issues, may be Migrating,installation
etc., etc., with Sybase Products. As long as I'm with the company I'll
go for Sybase Products. So Sybase in this real world the are not
bothered about any new customers, Instead they even prefer to loose
existing customers.

Thanx for your concern, Hope you are still continuing wiht worlds best
products (Sybase)

Regards
Vasudev