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Backup Server anybody ?

6 posts in Product Futures Discussion Last posting was on 2002-03-14 16:26:16.0Z
Carel Cornelius Posted on 2002-02-13 21:18:56.0Z
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Hi,

I have not seen any posting regarding Backup Server requests. Sybase Backup
Server is very ancient in terms of what it supports. Fine, it can now
compress backups, but so does most Tape drives and some OSes as well, and at
much higher speeds.
What we really need to see is the ability to restore a single object (table)
from a Dump. Even though additional disk space is (reasonably) cheap, most
clients does not have enough disk space to have all Production databases,
all Development databases and some additional space to restore a database
just to try and recover that corrupted table.
If I could only restore that single 1 Gb of data instead of my whole 100Gb
database, that would save me a hell of a lot of time and effort. So what
about it ?

PS. I also compare ASE to MSSQL and I see that one of them actually has a
(working) usable user interface. It's up to you to guess which one.

Just my 2c worth.

Carel Cornelius


Sethu Posted on 2002-03-05 01:57:04.0Z
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Hi,

Just to give you an update on what is in the pike with
the backupserver.

1) We are working on object level recovery

2) We are working on providing password protection with dumps
(May be use the password to do encryption also)

3) We have plans to move the current compression into
the backupserver kernel instead of a loadable module.

4) We are looking at supporting netbackup or TSM natively

All the above are being scheduled for 4Q this year.
#1 may be a stretch (but honestly).


Sethu

Carel Cornelius wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have not seen any posting regarding Backup Server requests. Sybase Backup
> Server is very ancient in terms of what it supports. Fine, it can now
> compress backups, but so does most Tape drives and some OSes as well, and at
> much higher speeds.
> What we really need to see is the ability to restore a single object (table)
> from a Dump. Even though additional disk space is (reasonably) cheap, most
> clients does not have enough disk space to have all Production databases,
> all Development databases and some additional space to restore a database
> just to try and recover that corrupted table.
> If I could only restore that single 1 Gb of data instead of my whole 100Gb
> database, that would save me a hell of a lot of time and effort. So what
> about it ?
>
> PS. I also compare ASE to MSSQL and I see that one of them actually has a
> (working) usable user interface. It's up to you to guess which one.
>
> Just my 2c worth.
>
> Carel Cornelius


J Posted on 2002-03-14 16:26:16.0Z
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> Re: Backup Server anybody ?
>
> Hi,
>
> Just to give you an update on what is in the pike with
> the backupserver.

Sounds pretty good.
Thanks for the feedback

J


j Posted on 2002-02-15 09:17:04.0Z
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I Agree with your point re backupserver.

What is worrying me is that it seems the effort to implimenting customer
requests is sometimes marginal, but the effect could be huge.
I'm told the dump-compression (which has been on the request list for ages
& ages), could be implimented extremely easily, with very few lines of
code.

I'm sure it's not easy to make hard budgetary decision on what's important
& what not, but I'm still wondering about the Forum composition / technical
ability / commitment of whoever prioritises these features.
This (prioritisation & weeding) is Not an engineering issue, it's a
business issue, which I guess goes way beyond this forum, and which (in my
opinion) needs to be addressed urgently, and in a visible way.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of things seem to go the right direction, but I
find just too many loose ends to be satisfied with the turnaround from
sensible request to shipped product.
Maybe it's time to open-source non-core components, or whatever.

Cheers

J


Roger Broadbent Posted on 2002-02-15 10:33:51.0Z
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I assume you are not suggesting that backup server is somehow "non-core"?
What components would you see as being candidates for open source?

--
Roger Broadbent
Technical Consultant
Wilco International Ltd

<J> wrote in message
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> I Agree with your point re backupserver.
>
> What is worrying me is that it seems the effort to implimenting customer
> requests is sometimes marginal, but the effect could be huge.
> I'm told the dump-compression (which has been on the request list for ages
> & ages), could be implimented extremely easily, with very few lines of
> code.
>
> I'm sure it's not easy to make hard budgetary decision on what's important
> & what not, but I'm still wondering about the Forum composition /
technical
> ability / commitment of whoever prioritises these features.
> This (prioritisation & weeding) is Not an engineering issue, it's a
> business issue, which I guess goes way beyond this forum, and which (in my
> opinion) needs to be addressed urgently, and in a visible way.
>
> Don't get me wrong, a lot of things seem to go the right direction, but I
> find just too many loose ends to be satisfied with the turnaround from
> sensible request to shipped product.
> Maybe it's time to open-source non-core components, or whatever.
>
> Cheers
>
> J
>
>
>


J Posted on 2002-02-15 11:53:32.0Z
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Agreed that Back-up server is fairly close to core, but then again I'm
fairly sure there aren't zillions of trade secrets in the backup-server
code.
I was thinking of the visualisation tools, and even some O/C components,
and yes.., possibly Backup-server.
Don't give the code away, but do publish it.

Having said that I'm trying to palm Sybase products off to the general user
community, & the general user community is trying to palm some off their
efforts to Sybase.
(I'm under correction, but the romoured example at hand is sqsh.)
So this may not be a very good idea.

Maybe we should focus the discussion on the delivery of working features,
as suits the business and the community of users & developers.
I'm more than slightly irritated by slow public-service like answers &
feedback. We're supposed to be in a dynamic, future-vision AND
feedback-driven industry.
Even with Budgetary prudence and strategic positioning getting the first
slice, I think we (the user community) could do better.
Some of the stuff most developers I talk to would like can be easily be
identified.
I'm wondering if anyone is bothering to know what these features are.
I think not.

Like Carel said, just look closely (Do bother to actually do it) at a still
fairly lightweight product, like MS SQL.

Cheers

J

> I assume you are not suggesting that backup server is somehow "non-core"?

> What components would you see as being candidates for open source?
>
> --
> Roger Broadbent
> Technical Consultant
> Wilco International Ltd